So I've Been Thinking Again, is it Possible to Land a Star?

[Scoot McGroot]

you have to have at least two star players to win a championship, thats how the nba works, there isn't a team in the nba that has ever won without two legit stars, and most of them have three

Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace, and Ben Wallace would like to say hello.


That's a team full of 0 superstars. Ever. None of those players ever were, or ever will be "superstars" in the NBA. Very solid vets? Yes. Superstars? Nowhere close.

[PR07]

Two superstars or 3 all-stars has been the common theme for the last couple of champions...but it's not absolute.

[Papa Irish31]

chauncey and rasheed are both likely hall of famers, they are both stars not superstars, you don't need superstars to win, you just need stars

ben wallace was the defensive player of the year, they had four all stars and teshaun prince rounding out there starting five, so basically they consisted of two stars, two all stars, and teshaun prince who is a borderline all star, pretty good

[DannyGranger]

Next summer we should be able to trade one of our expierers (Foster, Ford, Dunleavy, Murphy, or Tinsley) for someone good.

[Miller4ever]

Why land a star when we already have the GOAT Travis Diener?

But to Papa Irish's post, none of those Pistons were voted all-stars until the season after their championship.

In terms of teams who have won without multiple star talents...most of those teams are in earlier years, like Bill Russell's Celtics and whatnot. However, today, a lot of teams who win get their players all-starred for the next year. For example, the old, Pistons Rasheed Wallace, or Tony Parker (remember when they wanted to trade for Kidd?) or Rajon Rondo (not an all-star, but heavily considered).

[chatard5]

So say we somehow land CP3 or Wade, how good would we be?

CP3/Rush/Granger/Hansbrough/Chandler (this is stupid and unrealistic, but I am going to do it anyways. We give up next years 1st, and 2 years after that, too. And as many 2nds as they want. We also give up Roy. I don't know how we land him b/c we would need TEs or something, I don't know. Oh well, I am still going to assume this b/c it seems fun).

That is a good team. Offensively and defensively. I think we're a 3-seed who could make it to the Finals, for sure. We could beat the Cavs if we can get some tenacious D from Granger and Rush and Lebron (if that's even possible). Beating a healthy Boston team would be tough this year, though. They are just so strong everywhere. But CP3>>>Rondo, Rush<<Allen (but I think Rush could play some decent D on him for sure) and Granger>Pierce OF COURSE! (okay, ehhh) and then Garnett>>>>>Hansbrough, but maybe Hansbrough could roughin him up and Chandler can get his height and length to get some blocks.

And then Wade at SG and Rush off the bench. We would need a nice pass-first PG like Steve Blake or some1. Down the stretch have Wade play PG and have Rush on the floor, too.

[CircleCitysportsfan]

chauncey and rasheed are both likely hall of famers, they are both stars not superstars, you don't need superstars to win, you just need stars

ben wallace was the defensive player of the year, they had four all stars and teshaun prince rounding out there starting five, so basically they consisted of two stars, two all stars, and teshaun prince who is a borderline all star, pretty good

Yeah right, sheed is not a hof player by any stretch of the imagination. If he is, so is Robert Horry.

[Scoot McGroot]

chauncey and rasheed are both likely hall of famers, they are both stars not superstars, you don't need superstars to win, you just need stars

ben wallace was the defensive player of the year, they had four all stars and teshaun prince rounding out there starting five, so basically they consisted of two stars, two all stars, and teshaun prince who is a borderline all star, pretty good

Really? I don't see it. You have 4 guys who made the all-star game AFTER winning the championship, but I don't see any Hall of Famer's, at all, on those teams. Billups and Rasheed have both had solid runs, but were either of them really top 6 or 7 at their position at any time in their careers?

Don't think so. You're talking about a group that has 15 All-Star appearances between the 5 of them. Sheed, Ben, and Chauncey each have 4, and Rip has 3. There's not a superstar in that bunch.

If you're just calling them stars, then you've completely changed the level of talent you're talking about. If you're just talking stars, then every NBA championship team ever has had about 4 of them. Stars and Superstars are vastly different entities.

[8305]

I agree the Detroit model or our own of the early 90's is the most feasible route for the Pacers franchise to travel. Granger in his own way is comperable to Miller. Yet to be determined if he is as clutch but he is a better all round player now. I think Hibbert could be better than Smits. He appears to be a more driven guy. Hansbrough brings some of what you got from the Davis brothers. Rush could evolve into a Tayshon Prince caliber player.

Add another Rush/Hansbrough/Hibbert type guy in 2010 and see what opportunities are available in the summer of 2011.

As to the question being posed. The opportunity for a big splash trade will likely not be there until February of 2011.

[pacerman06]

I think we should sign some people next year. No Lebron, Wade, or Bosh, but there is a lot of talent next year. I've been looking at trade machine and seeing all the people that have one year left on there contract, focusing on PF's and PG's. Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge, Carl Landry, Derrick Rose, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, Mike Conley, Jordan Farmar, Russell Westbrook

I know getting these players is highly unlikely, especially the ones coming off of there rookie contract. The ones that interested me the most were Rondo, Aldridge, Landry, Brooks, Lowry, Conley, and Farmar.

For 2011, there wasn't anybody that really excited me, except Tony Parker and getting him is unlikely. There is also this year's rookies. (Blake Griffin, YAY!)

If we are going to get a star or two, next year is the year to do it.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think we should sign some people next year. No Lebron, Wade, or Bosh, but there is a lot of talent next year. I've been looking at trade machine and seeing all the people that have one year left on there contract, focusing on PF's and PG's. Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge, Carl Landry, Derrick Rose, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, Mike Conley, Jordan Farmar, Russell Westbrook

I know getting these players is highly unlikely, especially the ones coming off of there rookie contract. The ones that interested me the most were Rondo, Aldridge, Landry, Brooks, Lowry, Conley, and Farmar.

For 2011, there wasn't anybody that really excited me, except Tony Parker and getting him is unlikely. There is also this year's rookies. (Blake Griffin, YAY!)

If we are going to get a star or two, next year is the year to do it.

All of those players are either likely to have their options exercised by their teams, or are restricted free agents, making it very tough to sign them, especially players of their caliber.

Farmar and Lowry are the only guys that you might have a chance at.

[DannyGranger]

I think we should sign some people next year. No Lebron, Wade, or Bosh, but there is a lot of talent next year. I've been looking at trade machine and seeing all the people that have one year left on there contract, focusing on PF's and PG's. Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge, Carl Landry, Derrick Rose, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, Mike Conley, Jordan Farmar, Russell Westbrook

I know getting these players is highly unlikely, especially the ones coming off of there rookie contract. The ones that interested me the most were Rondo, Aldridge, Landry, Brooks, Lowry, Conley, and Farmar.

For 2011, there wasn't anybody that really excited me, except Tony Parker and getting him is unlikely. There is also this year's rookies. (Blake Griffin, YAY!)

If we are going to get a star or two, next year is the year to do it.

sign players with what money? We'll be over the luxury tax threshold if we're not careful

[chatard5]

I think Billups has a chance at the Hall. I mean we saw what he added to the Nuggets. He has to have a long career with good numbers and win another ring, maybe 2, but I think it's possible. He has also hit some clutch shots and led those good Piston teams. I'm definitely not counting Chauncey out yet.

Rasheed on the other hand.... BBBBLLLLPPPP!!!!

[old rem]

you mean dunleavy is not a star???? lol

i was looking at high potential guys that could be had through a trade, and some guys that are on the brink of becoming stars whos team is in financial trouble

and from all acounts CP3 is not going to be traded or you can basically say good bye to basketball in new orleans

but i would look at the most likely scenario as acquiring a young high risk high reward player and letting him grow with granger, here are the best type of candidates i see out there to fit in with granger



kevin martin sacramento, marco belinelli warriors can he become a star though? i think he can become a manu like player if he reaches full potential, raymond felton charlotte really underrated and has loads of potential, you could try to steal conley from the grizzlies, you could try to blow philly away and get speights he has amare potential without the injuries, martell webster or jerryd bayliss have somewhat fallen out of favor in portland you could try and land one of them or maybe fernandez although i dont think he quite has star potential, if you could get randy foye or nick young away from the wizards they would be excellent, and maybe if you could pry stuckey away from the pistons he would fit good with the pacers

that or hope to get lucky in the draft, a lot of people have john wall as being a cant miss prospect, you could always have granger get "injured" and go for the top pick

Felton is underrated,not exactly a star but good. Webster is mainly a perimeter shooter and not quite good enough at that. He gets credit for being athletic but doesn't use it. Speights will be a good scorer. His D needs work. Bayless is more SG than PG but can score. Belinnelli can be a good PG,probably will score more if a SG as his catch+shoot 3 is real good. He has the instincts.
Martin pretty much IS a star...he won't come cheap,as he carries their offense. Detroit seems to rate Stuckey as more than he is.