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Experts love Bird's moves. How do YOU feel?

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Experts love Bird's moves. How do YOU feel? 

Post#1 » by Dunthreevy » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:04 pm

*taken from Bruno's blog*

Experts like Pacers' offseason moves so far

Though Larry Bird isn't done tweaking the roster, his moves thus far have earned kudos from NBA analysts.

In the draft, Bird added Hansbrough at No. 13 and may have found a keeper deep in the second round with No. 52 pick Price, a point guard from UConn who looked solid in summer-league play.

He followed up by signing Jones, an elite defender who will strengthen the backcourt rotation at all three perimeter positions.

"I like the strategy Larry Bird and David Morway are employing in Indiana," writes ESPN Insider Chad Ford. "They aren't swinging for the fences with their transactions. Instead, they are going for singles and doubles and they've been converting over the past two years.

"No, Hansbrough isn't a sexy addition, but he should be in the league for 10 years, maybe even as a starter. And he brings the toughness and energy that the Pacers really need. Adding Jones on the perimeter delivers another tough, no nonsense player who can guard multiple positions."

Another positive review came from RealGM.com's Andrew Perna, who graded the team's moves far a B-plus.

"Jones isn’t the type of player that is going to stuff that stat sheet, but he will help complete a team," wrote Perna. "The Pacers aren’t whole yet, but the front office has continued to keep their eyes on the plan. Drafting Tyler Hansbrough was the first phase this offseason, but Jones is far from the last."

Over on our Internet Mothership, longtime NBA analyst Fran Blinebury offered his thumbs-up.

"In a matter of days, the Pacers got significantly tougher with the signing of first-round draft pick Tyler Hansbrough and the free agent Jones," wrote Blinebury. "While most of Jones' notoriety last spring with the Nuggets came for his tripping of Kobe Bryant, he's a rugged, solid defender whose offensive skills might be underrated.

"There are few who expect Hansbrough to be a star at the NBA level, but he should give Jim O'Brien and Larry Bird solid minutes as a hard-nosed competitor. If Dunleavy can return to form and join Danny Granger as a gun in the lineup, the Pacers are making steady steps toward improvement and have the potential to surprise in the East."

Locally, former Pacers beat writer Mark Montieth compared Jones to a younger Bruce Bowen in his blog for 1070thefan.com.

"Jones is Bowen, Part II, a 6-6 swingman who can defend three positions," wrote Montieth. "A semi-dirty player who irritates opponents and inspires teammates with his defensive mindset. A player who doesn’t score much (5.1 career average) but somehow has a knack for hitting three-pointers (11-of-17 last season). A mature, intelligent, unspoiled player who, despite having a Duke pedigree, came up the hard way in the NBA. "



Personally, I like the moves that we've made. While I would've loved to keep Jarrett Jack, financially it was sorta out of the question, without us being able to pull off some other significant moves. Toronto overpaid for JJ, and that's a pretty widely accepted fact from everything that I've read by sports writers. I have no crazy thoughts of Tyler of Dahntay making us a dominant team, but they're going to help out majorly in a department we've been lacking in for a long time... HEART & TOUGHNESS. I think with those 2 adding onto the continuing progress of Danny and B.Rush, it brings our teams toughness level to a spot that it hasn't been at in years.
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Post#2 » by count55 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:20 pm

Ehhh...that Perna guy's a dorknozzle.
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Post#3 » by HookShotHibbert » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:26 pm

Seems pretty much dead on to me. Considering off court issues, lack of support for "bad apples" from the "fan base", injuries, albatross contracts and never having better than a late lottery pick; Bird has seemed to do the best he could with what he has had to work with ever since taking over as GM. He has had some failed moves, but since he wasn't "swinging for the fences", none of the failed moves have killed the franchise. Also, since he wasn't "swinging for the fences", none of the good moves have turned out to be spectacular. All in all, I think the team is headed in the right direction; hopefully with a little time, development, and a stroke of better luck, the franchise will be back near the top of the league in the coming years
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Post#4 » by mizzoupacers » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:36 pm

We've talked about this in other threads...plus Count has already said pretty much everything that needs to be said here :lol: ...but my stance remains "wait and see." What Bird is doing makes sense to me given the payroll circumstances the Pacers are under. Still, it remains to be seen how well he has drafted, and it also remains to be seen what, if anything, he can do with some of those bad contracts when they become expirings, or what he can do with the financial flexibility he'll have if he lets them expire.
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Post#5 » by basketballwacko2 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:23 am

Well who am I to argue with "experts?"
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Post#6 » by Grang33r » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:22 am

Nobody will ever win anything without defense or a bench. And this summer, they have improved both. I really like the additions so far. I just really think, either next draft, or in the 2011 summer, they will need to make a splashy or risky move.... to get over the top. This theory will only take us so far. It will lead us to 5-8th seed and lose in first or 2nd round each year, and nothing more. That would be best case too. They will need to make a risky move sooner or later, to try to grab a star player to help this team. Not sure if they will next draft or as Bird said maybe in the summer of 2011, but one of these days they will need to strike big.
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Post#7 » by fienX420 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:57 pm

They suck. Lacking imagination (and research). Obviously hamstrung by financial restraints. The 'experts' (seriously, those guys are experts?) are bird lovers and also earn a fail on research.
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Post#8 » by Indydave » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:45 pm

SO far, so good as far as Larry's strategy goes.... I do like LBs draft strategy-- I believe Larry (and the staff of course) does a good job of judging talent and making "safe" picks. Actually, I believe what Larry does during the Draft is pick guys that have the least in common with Shawne Williams and James White, and the most in common with Danny Granger IMO-- lots of high-level college experience, success at the collegiate level, guys who already know how to play, smart players, etc.... This year it's Hansborough-- which I think will do just fine in an incredibly weak draft class. I think he'll have little problems scoring in the NBA, but will need to put in some work on the defensive end, especially rebounding.

As far as free agents go, he's doing okay here too-- he's not spending big bucks for anyone, but he's not bringing in anyone that will financially strap the Pacers either, or should we say "creating bad contracts." He's waiting until 2 years from now to make big decisions about personnel IMO, and once again, it looks like we could possibly sneak into the post season this year, so the team is still competitive. True, I'd doubt if we do anything big if we do slip into the post season this year, but I also believe that TPTB in the Pacers org kinda know that we still have at least a couple more years to be serious contenders in the NBA.
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Post#9 » by dawn_wan » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:15 am

propaganda!
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Post#10 » by Luffy » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:49 am

The rest of the league would obviously agree that Larry Bird is trying to create some weird all-Vanilla rotation. If Celtics pawn off Scalabrine to your team, might as well expect Bird to trade for Adam Morrison, JJ Redick, and Mark Madsen.
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Post#11 » by 8305 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:59 am

I like the moves and the overall strategy drafting guys who are ready to slide into the rotation on day one. Danny Granger and his development is the prototype. Is it that far fetched to think Rush, Hibbert and Hansbrough could develop similarly?

I think Larry could have opted to persue a higher potential player like Ramon Sessions with the full MLE. Then attempted to move TJ for guys to fill the bench. Probably easier said than done.

Our good teams of the 1990's had solid benches and if our young guys pick things up quickly and Dunleavy returns to form the solid bench is there.
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Post#12 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:36 am

8305 wrote:Danny Granger and his development is the prototype. Is it that far fetched to think Rush, Hibbert and Hansbrough could develop similarly?




Yes.
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Post#13 » by 8305 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:19 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
8305 wrote:Danny Granger and his development is the prototype. Is it that far fetched to think Rush, Hibbert and Hansbrough could develop similarly?




Yes.


ok that's probably a little optomistic. But, at the end of the season Rush was agruably more effective than Granger was during his rookie year. Hibbert looked good in the summer league and I see no reason he can't be as good say Rik Smits. I think he has a much greater desire to be good than Smits. Hansbrough will be a capable defender before its over, probably not as good as Foster but certainly better than Murphy. Offensively, he could be as good as Murphy (better post up game now). Combine those attributes and you have a pretty good player.

All three of these guys are intelligent and known for their dedication to improvement (the Granger trait).
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Post#14 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:19 am

8305 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
8305 wrote:Danny Granger and his development is the prototype. Is it that far fetched to think Rush, Hibbert and Hansbrough could develop similarly?




Yes.


ok that's probably a little optomistic. e of these guys are intelligent and known for their dedication to improvement (the Granger trait).



A little?

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