Pacers Extend O'Brien's Contract

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

How did I not acknowledge his successes? I said he has done a great job at bringing the team together and motivatng them, but "Shoot the ball and run!" isn't a gameplan for NBA basketball, it works on the street games, but thats it and his defensive strategy is awful. To go with that, he constantly played Jack out of position and made terrible subsitutions all year long. I even said at the end of the year, he was a lot better than he was in the year and a half before, but still he can't coach a game.

My high school JV team ran the same offense that Obie has installed. There isn't much coaching involved, just run and shoot. Do you remember the few times he drew up plays? They usually came at the end of the game, half of them didn't even get a shot off. The ones that did were usually PG goes 1 on 1 for the last shot. I'm sorry, thats not a play, thats streetball.

[Miller4ever]

I think that with Obie going through '11, there is a plan here. Bird wants to establish continuity for this team that we'll have for the next two year, and then when a bunch of the players leave after 2011, we can begin a new era with a different coach. It looks like we'll have Granger, Jones, Rush, Hibbert, and Hansbrough.

[LadiesLuvPGs]

pacers vs. cavs last season. lob pass to DG that he got fouled on. i'm pretty sure he drew up a pretty good play. one example to disprove your theory that his coaching can not win us any games. I would've kept my mouth shut had you said something like "his coaching has lost more games for us than won." i'm just saying, don't speak in absolutes.

OB is alright by me. Not perfect. But good enough for the talent we have now.

[Miller4ever]

One of the things he does which I like a lot is that he has us play actual defense in the last minute of a close game instead of fouling.

[chatard5]

Seems a little premature to me.

[Miller4ever]

That's what she--

Oh...

[chatard5]

I bet there was hope for something a little longer.............

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

pacers vs. cavs last season. lob pass to DG that he got fouled on. i'm pretty sure he drew up a pretty good play. one example to disprove your theory that his coaching can not win us any games. I would've kept my mouth shut had you said something like "his coaching has lost more games for us than won." i'm just saying, don't speak in absolutes.

OB is alright by me. Not perfect. But good enough for the talent we have now.

Thats one play, that any coach in the NBA would have ran in that situation - in fact, he saw it just 5 seconds before when LeBron did it. That wasn't a good coaching move, that was common sense. There were plays where we didn't even get a shot off, plays where the "play" was TJ Ford to just go one on one, and so on. They were poorly designed, and neither TJ Ford nor JJ are Jordan or Kobe.

[Scoot McGroot]

Does it really matter?


Who's to say that it's not a completely non-guaranteed year? Or maybe a minimal buyout if we later decide to let him go? We just don't know, and at the least, it goes with the conventional wisdom that Bird has had since he started here, and that Walsh had for years. They never had a lame duck coach contractually, and we just haven't made a mid-season coaching move since when....the 1988 season? That wasn't even our choice then was it? Jack Ramsay...Mel Daniels coached a couple...and George Irvine finished it out?

[count55]

Does it really matter?


Who's to say that it's not a completely non-guaranteed year? Or maybe a minimal buyout if we later decide to let him go? We just don't know, and at the least, it goes with the conventional wisdom that Bird has had since he started here, and that Walsh had for years. They never had a lame duck coach contractually, and we just haven't made a mid-season coaching move since when....the 1988 season? That wasn't even our choice then was it? Jack Ramsay...Mel Daniels coached a couple...and George Irvine finished it out?

Well, actually, it was 89, and Dick Versace finished out that year, then coached all of the 1990 season before being fired 25 games into the 1991 season, and being replaced by Bob Hill.

Larry Bird was a "Lame Duck" coach, contractually, in 2000.

[Scoot McGroot]

Does it really matter?


Who's to say that it's not a completely non-guaranteed year? Or maybe a minimal buyout if we later decide to let him go? We just don't know, and at the least, it goes with the conventional wisdom that Bird has had since he started here, and that Walsh had for years. They never had a lame duck coach contractually, and we just haven't made a mid-season coaching move since when....the 1988 season? That wasn't even our choice then was it? Jack Ramsay...Mel Daniels coached a couple...and George Irvine finished it out?

Well, actually, it was 89, and Dick Versace finished out that year, then coached all of the 1990 season before being fired 25 games into the 1991 season, and being replaced by Bob Hill.

Larry Bird was a "Lame Duck" coach, contractually, in 2000.

Thank you. I knew I was in the ballpark, but couldn't remember exactly when. I was a little young then.



However, the Bird "Lame Duck" (how ironic....Bird/duck...get it? I'm hilarious) was Bird's intent though as he was steadfast to the whole 3 year rule as a coach, wasn't he?

[Miller4ever]

However, the Bird "Lame Duck" (how ironic....Bird/duck...get it? I'm hilarious)

Forget about swine flu. Everybody on this board must watch out for chatard flu.

[8305]

There are no doubt better coaches in the league. But I'm not sure we are a destination for them yet. In the mean time continunity is a better alternative than bringing a new guy in just for the sake of change.

There are things I like about O'Brien. The motion/ball movement offense is entertaining to watch and aside from TJ Ford fits our personnel. I think the team plays hard for him. With the moves that have been made this year it is reasonable to expect improvement and the playoffs. If that isn't delivered I think Bird's hand will be forced on O'Brien.

[chatard5]

However, the Bird "Lame Duck" (how ironic....Bird/duck...get it? I'm hilarious)

Forget about swine flu. Everybody on this board must watch out for chatard flu.

The chatard flu is like the Will Ferrell of swine flu. I don't think that made sense, but you get the picture.