Philadelphia 76ers and Pacers ?

Aiq · Post #1 » by **Aiq** » Thu May 20, 2010 1:02 am

Anyone think, with all of the needs and $$ tied up in a couple positions for the 76ers that they'd be willing to trade their pick for ours if we took on a bad contract in return?

They have Thaddeus Young, Andre Iguadola, Lou Williams, Jrue Holiday all requiring playing time at the 1 -3 position. That's not even counting the bad contracts they have:

Elton Brand making $15 mill
Andre Iguadola making $12 mill
Sam Dalembert making $12 mill(might be in last year of contract tho)
Jason Kapono making $6mill
Willie Green making $3 mill

That way we could get Evan Turner, since they'd have to clear space for him to play in Philly, and they could draft someone at the 4 -5 position to play later for less money?

Donerik · Post #2 » by **Donerik** » Thu May 20, 2010 1:05 am

no way they sell this pick in a salary dump.

but they could move established talent to rebuild

Post #3 » by **Grang33r** » Thu May 20, 2010 1:49 am

Turner is a lock to Philly, don't kid yourself. Turner and Holiday will be their back court for years. Question will be, what to do with Iguadola? SF? Or trade him?

Aiq · Post #4 » by **Aiq** » Thu May 20, 2010 1:55 am

his contract is terrible, same with brand. Who would want to take on that contract? If you keep him you can't just sit him on the bench for a rookie. I didn't mean just for a salary dump, but that was just to get a discussion started.

Post #5 » by **Grang33r** » Thu May 20, 2010 2:13 am

Aiq wrote:his contract is terrible, same with brand. Who would want to take on that contract? If you keep him you can't just sit him on the bench for a rookie. I didn't mean just for a salary dump, but that was just to get a discussion started.

They would find a buyer no problem if they decided to get rid of him. He's a star player and a game changer.

Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu May 20, 2010 2:57 am

Aiq wrote:his contract is terrible, same with brand. Who would want to take on that contract? If you keep him you can't just sit him on the bench for a rookie. I didn't mean just for a salary dump, but that was just to get a discussion started.

Iguodala? He's only overpaid by about 20% or so. Not too bad.

Either way, Iggy's really played the majority of minutes over the past two seasons at the 3. He'll continue to play the 3 in a lineup with Turner and Holliday. They may look to trade Thad Young, or simply use a 4 man rotation for the back 3 spots in the lineup. Turner can play the 1, and Iggy can play the 2 as well. Holliday/Turner/Iggy or Holliday/Turner/Young or Holliday/Iggy/Young or Turner/Iggy/Young. There's all kinds of combos and plenty of chances for each guy to get 30+ minutes.

laydo · Post #7 » by **laydo** » Thu May 20, 2010 6:10 am

Hypothetically, what if the Wizards draft Evan Turner instead of John Wall, will PHI trade Jure Holliday?

MNPacersfan · Post #8 » by **MNPacersfan** » Thu May 20, 2010 5:41 pm

laydo wrote:Hypothetically, what if the Wizards draft Evan Turner instead of John Wall, will PHI trade Jure Holliday?

Did anyone notice how relieved Holiday looked when they didn't get the #1 pick?

I saw a rumor yesterday (can't remember where - maybe ESPN?) that MIN and PHI were already talking about swapping the 2 and 4 picks. Philly is apparently interested in Favors or Cousins, not Turner...

funkatron101 · Post #9 » by **funkatron101** » Thu May 20, 2010 6:31 pm

MNPacersfan wrote:
laydo wrote:Hypothetically, what if the Wizards draft Evan Turner instead of John Wall, will PHI trade Jure Holliday?

Did anyone notice how relieved Holiday looked when they didn't get the #1 pick?

I saw a rumor yesterday (can't remember where - maybe ESPN?) that MIN and PHI were already talking about swapping the 2 and 4 picks. Philly is apparently interested in Favors or Cousins, not Turner...

That ain't happening. Sixers will take Turner happily.

Post #10 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu May 20, 2010 10:02 pm

laydo wrote:Hypothetically, what if the Wizards draft Evan Turner instead of John Wall, will PHI trade Jure Holliday?

Hypothetically, what if a unicorn eats my garden of golden carrots?

We can talk about hypothetically, but it just ain't gonna happen.

Post #11 » by **Gremz** » Fri May 21, 2010 11:55 am

The only piece of value I can see Philly moving at this point would be Thad Young.

Perhaps Iguodala if they want to go for a true rebuild and dump some salary at the same time.

There's not a whole lot that we'd be interested in.

blueandgold · Post #12 » by **blueandgold** » Sat May 22, 2010 1:27 am

Here you go!

Pacers trade:

#10 Pick- They get a good pick (Big Man)
TJ Ford- Expiring with experience
Murphy- Double/Double and expiring
Rush- Rising and will hit his stride and expiring

for

Brand- Gives us the prototipical PF but with 4 years that is a gamble. Scoring to help Granger
Holiday- Our potentail futur PG but is a gamble
Dalembert- Backup or mirror image of Hibbert to share time. Foster is a medical gamble
#2 Pick- Evan Turner as a SG of the future when we rid of Dunleavy. Will start instead of Rush.

MONEY WORKS

Post #13 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat May 22, 2010 1:21 pm

Pie in the sky, but at least take out the Rush for Holiday swap. That's WAY too much to include. And take out Dalembert as he makes the deal not work financially and makes the Pacers take on about $5 million in salary that we simply can't.

So, any offer would be Murphy/Ford/#10 for Brand/one of Green, Williams, or Kapono/#2. That's the only outside shot at consideration, and even then, it's still somewhat unlikely.

Wizop · Post #14 » by **Wizop** » Sun May 23, 2010 3:25 am

except wiretap is saying Philly wants to move Brand enough that they'd trade the 2. I'd sure take on Brand and give them their choice of our expirings (TJ and Jeff would be my choice) for Turner. sure I'm dreaming but at least it is a dream based on smoke from Philly and not just from my pipe.

Post #15 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun May 23, 2010 12:41 pm

Wizop wrote:except wiretap is saying Philly wants to move Brand enough that they'd trade the 2. I'd sure take on Brand and give them their choice of our expirings (TJ and Jeff would be my choice) for Turner. sure I'm dreaming but at least it is a dream based on smoke from Philly and not just from my pipe.

I know it was on the wiretap, but the thing about the wiretap is that it doesn't always tell the whole story. They could have been asked if they'd be willing to include the #2 to move a big contract, and they very well might've said "Well, you can never say no, but if NJ wanted to come in and take on Elton and the #2 for the #3 and pure cap space, then you have to listen to that one."

See? A trade's very unlikely, but it's not 100% out of the question. Just has to meet their needs. Much like a possible Granger trade for us would have to.

FreeRon · Post #16 » by **FreeRon** » Mon May 24, 2010 12:53 am

It's great if you have the number 2 pick to take a guy that's supposed to be really good and pay him the fairly sizable contract that he's slotted for. It's another thing to trade your expiring contracts and a lottery pick and take on a couple of horrid contracts to get it. I'm thinking it's very possible that the 76ers would move down 8 spots to get rid of Brand. They have a great young PG and could pick up a PF with some potential at 10 and start rebuilding. They also save a lot of money signing #10 instead of #2. I'm sure they wouldn't be so inclined as to throw in Jrue for BRush. Maybe it's just me, but I think high picks are often overvalued. There's no LeBron James in this draft. Turner could easily bust. How mad would everyone be if gave away our cap relief to trade for a highly paid bust while Philly made huge improvements with a good young team involving a player they stole at #10 and a ton of cap relief? It's just not worth the risk to trade away valuable assets for a player who hasn't played a minute in the League.

PS Why didn't you tell me you had a garden of golden carrots, Scoot? I thought we were tight, man!

Post #17 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon May 24, 2010 2:15 am

FreeRon wrote:PS Why didn't you tell me you had a garden of golden carrots, Scoot? I thought we were tight, man!

Time's are tough and my wife and I have student loans, dude. Sorry.

MUpacersSIC · Post #18 » by **MUpacersSIC** » Mon May 24, 2010 7:22 pm

"You can expect teams like the Minnesota Timberwolves, Detroit Pistons and Indiana Pacers, in particular, to make a strong push to get a deal done with Philly. As I wrote on Friday, the Sixers have been telling teams that they'll have to take back the remaining three years, $50 million of Elton Brand's contract to make it happen. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Sixers softened their stance by the draft. I don't see any team willing to take on Brand's contract at this point."

This is from Chad Ford.

Looks like he thinks the Pacers (among others) could "make a strong push" to move up to the #2 spot. Like we have been discussing Brand would have to come our way. However, I really think Turner can be a special player and even possibly our future PG (I pushing the PG a little I know)? I think getting Turner could really change this team.

Lineup:
PG Ford
SG Turner
SF Granger
PF Brand
C Hibbert

I would really like to get a second first round pick and draft Bledsoe. I think he could end up being a steal at say the 16th pick? *EDITED: forgot to put Brand in the new lineup*