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Re: RealGM FA Tracker - Foye? 

Post#21 » by greenway84 » Thu Jul 1, 2010 4:08 pm

That was the joke..the green monster.
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Re: RealGM FA Tracker - Foye? 

Post#22 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu Jul 1, 2010 6:55 pm

I think there is a strong chance that we'll go after Foye, there is no chance the Wiz would match with Wall, Gilbert and Hinrich on their roster. Now as long as we don't over pay him or give him a long deal, I'm thinking 3 or 4 yrs at $5 million per with the last season a team option. We couild then trade Foster to them for Foye we'd save a few bucks and get our PG.

We'd still need to move TJ I just don't want him on the team sitting on the bench all year like Jamaal did a couple yrs back.
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Post#23 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Jul 1, 2010 10:33 pm

Indy2thaWindy wrote:for his talent level he should get more


For his talent level, he hasn't shown enough to earn any more playing time, yet. Plus, he's not even being considered at all for the PG spot in Portland, and he's buried behind Roy and Batum at the swing spots.
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Post#24 » by MNPacersfan » Thu Jul 1, 2010 10:57 pm

jowglenn wrote:Has there been a worse lotto pick trade in recent memory than #5 for Foye/Mike Miller?


How about Brandon Roy for Randy Foye and $1 million?
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Post#25 » by Boneman2 » Thu Jul 1, 2010 11:33 pm

Indy2TW, who are you saying got screwed from the Mayo/Love swap. If anything I see it in Minny's favor by a small margin. Mayo has free-reign in Memphis, while Love competes for his, and he still outproduces him.
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Post#26 » by fienX420 » Fri Jul 2, 2010 2:01 am

foye sucks. bayless sucks. and rush sucks. everybody happy?
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Post#27 » by Moooose » Fri Jul 2, 2010 5:53 am

Seriously, i'd like to have Foye. Maybe not a top tier PG but he's still got potential to be above average given good minutes, and he's surely gonna get it here. He was gooood back in Minny.
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Post#28 » by ardthomp » Fri Jul 2, 2010 6:30 pm

I'd be happier with Foye over Farmar. Maybe we can somehow get Foye and Lowry and let them play out their Villanova days again! :party:
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Post#29 » by Indy2thaWindy » Fri Jul 2, 2010 7:37 pm

^
Get Allen Ray, and we definetly contenders.
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Post#30 » by fienX420 » Fri Jul 2, 2010 9:22 pm

yah, i like foye better than farmar. or bayless.
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Post#31 » by Boneman2 » Sat Jul 3, 2010 6:35 am

Now as long as we don't over pay him or give him a long deal, I'm thinking 3 or 4 yrs at $5 million per with the last season a team option.


I believe you contradicted yourself Basketballwacko2, in regards to Foye. 5 mill per is way too much, and 3-4 yrs is too long.

Besides didn't Shaun Livingston thoroughly outplay Foye last season? I'd be contacting him.
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Post#32 » by basketballwacko2 » Sat Jul 3, 2010 1:40 pm

Boneman2 wrote:
Now as long as we don't over pay him or give him a long deal, I'm thinking 3 or 4 yrs at $5 million per with the last season a team option.


I believe you contradicted yourself Basketballwacko2, in regards to Foye. 5 mill per is way too much, and 3-4 yrs is too long.

Besides didn't Shaun Livingston thoroughly outplay Foye last season? I'd be contacting him.



I don't know about Livingston I didn't see him play but I know he's trying to come back from a pretty bad injury, many thought he was done. As for Foye he did have and off year but I think he's a good prospect, I was thinking if we signed him for $5 million, 3 yrs declining so something like $5 million, $4.6, and $4.2 with a team option or non garantteed final yr.

That ungarantted contract yr makes him a valuable trade bait even if he doesn't work out. Come summer 2012 that contract might get you a #1 pick from a team over the cap or Tax Level.

Of course I'd like to sign him for a little less and we need to move out someone, if we could sign him and trade say Dunleavy to the Wiz but they would have little interst in that. They don't have any contracts that they'd want to send us to even that out so it's unlikely. They only have 6 guys under contract right now. The only bad contract they have is Gilbert and I sure don't want him.

Most likely if we did S&T for Foye $5 million does seem to be a little steep considering his last season, and the market for Free agents,I'm thinking $4 million declining 3 yrs last non garanteed trade foster we save $2.6 million and get a PG and a nice trade piece in summer 2012.
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Post#33 » by Indy2thaWindy » Sat Jul 3, 2010 2:16 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:I was thinking if we signed him for $5 million, 3 yrs declining so something like $5 million, $4.6, and $4.2 with a team option or non garantteed final yr.

That ungarantted contract yr makes him a valuable trade bait even if he doesn't work out. Come summer 2012 that contract might get you a #1 pick from a team over the cap or Tax Level.

Of course I'd like to sign him for a little less and we need to move out someone, if we could sign him and trade say Dunleavy to the Wiz but they would have little interst in that. They don't have any contracts that they'd want to send us to even that out so it's unlikely. They only have 6 guys under contract right now. The only bad contract they have is Gilbert and I sure don't want him.

Most likely if we did S&T for Foye $5 million does seem to be a little steep considering his last season, and the market for Free agents,I'm thinking $4 million declining 3 yrs last non garanteed trade foster we save $2.6 million and get a PG and a nice trade piece in summer 2012.


That would be a good signing. I mean if he doesn't have an OK year at point, we can get one next year. Foye as a combo guard paired with Stephenson would be a nice backcourt tandem to bring off the bench and his contract wouldn't eat up much capspace for next offseason.
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Re: RealGM FA Tracker - Foye? 

Post#34 » by basketballwacko2 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 11:40 am

Some people are hyping Stephenson too much and are gonna be let down when the Kid doesn't play much and or doesn't produce. I think he has potential to be good but he's not a messiah or the 2nd coming of Terrence Stansbury!
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Post#35 » by Boneman2 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 7:36 pm

Yeah I don't think Lance is capable of running an NBA offense. Indy2thawindy is just saying he has good handles, and after watching tape I conclude that he can handle the rock. Now the Pacers must determine if he can make sound decisions with the ball, and I am betting it is going to take some time for Lance to earn the organizations trust.

I expect Lance to come in next season and be a spark off the bench when he is called upon, showing occasional flashes of solid play. If he averages 15 mpg it will be a miracle. Physically he is ' Born Ready, but mentally he is obviously not ready to be depended upon.

Regardless, every year good players are drafted in the 2nd, and hopefully in a couple of seasons Lance can be added to that exception, along with Magnum.

NOTE: I like Foye's size 6'4" 212. I would be good with him, he still has potential to grow, a lot ( ie. Billups), and is young enough to bond with our team. If he does well and we like him than we take the appropriate actions to sign him long-term.

Realistic pg options:
#1. Collison (the door is not closed, imo...Downfall is taking back Okafor) edit:thx
#2. Livingston ( cheap/high potential)
#3. Foye (cheap/ high potential)
#4. Sessions ( expirings)
#5. Hinrich ( Allows us to get rid of TJ)
#6. Farmar
#7. Watson

I want Livingston and Foye.
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Re: RealGM FA Tracker - Foye? 

Post#36 » by basketballwacko2 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 7:49 pm

Boneman I think you mean we might be able to get Collison if we take on Okafor not Okur right? I'm good with that if we could get Collison and Okafor for Rush and Murphy I'd have to do that. Then I'd look to sign a Foye or Livingston and try to move TJ, I don't know where we are gonna send Mr Ford but I don't want him sitting the entire season like Jamaal did a couple yrs ago!
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Post#37 » by Indy2thaWindy » Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:11 pm

Boneman2 wrote:Yeah I don't think Lance is capable of running an NBA offense. Indy2thawindy is just saying he has good handles, and after watching tape I conclude that he can handle the rock Now the Pacers must determine if he can make sound decisions with the ball, and I am betting it is going to take some time for Lance to earn the organizations trust.


I think he can be one of the best passers in the NBA too. I agree he needs to work on makin the right decisions. Decision makin is his only real flaw, the man is an amazin passer, just needs to learn to do it more. Watch him pass the ball in videos and you will agree with me. TJ came in the NBA and was supposed to be one of the best floor generals ever. Are we ready to put that to rest. I am. Why can't Lance prove people wrong like TJ did? Lance can become a great PG unlike people think the same way TJ Ford hasn't bacame a great PG the way he was supposed to.
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Re: RealGM FA Tracker - Foye? 

Post#38 » by Moooose » Mon Jul 5, 2010 4:56 am

^ He's a good passer and a possesses good handles, but the thing lacking is court vision and maybe a little polishing on the decision-making skills. He's used to playing the "star" role, his mentality is to score and dominate, he tends to make everything on his own. If he could somehow understand that we would like him to play as a member of a team, and make him understand what we need him to be, and what Obie wants him to do, i think there's a good good chance he's going to be a steal.
His problems are not really on his physical capabilities and skills but mentally.
He's a wild cat that needs some taming. If the guys like Larry, Obie, and the trainers can do that, we'll be rocking.

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