Troy Murphy

[Boneman2]

Just say no to Jose Calderon's contract.

If we thought it was necessary to dump JO and Tinsley's contracts, just wait until you see Calderon's contract. He essentially ends any chance at the summer of 2011 plan of cap space almost by himself with his 3 years remaining at $29.5 million.

How many of you would like Dunleavy at his salary from last year for 3 more years on the books? How many of you would like a PG who's less talented on that same contract?

Didn't think so.

So you're saying Jose will be Croshere bad, man that's bad, despite the fact Calderon makes 3 mill more per season.

I want no part of him.

[basketballwacko2]

The Pacers are looking at a minimum return for him in a salary dump and could very easily be interested in a package that involves Glen Davis or Kendrick Perkins. Only problem is that if Rasheed Wallace becomes part of the deal, I'd like some assurances that he is retired and will stay retired so the Pacers would only be liable for 20% of his contract.

I would trade them Murphy for Davis and Wallace if Wallace is retiring. That's a great deal for both teams. Except that the salaries don't work out and Boston doesn't have any filler to make the deal work. It would have to be Dunleavy for Wallace and Davis.

[Boneman2]

BOS needs Murphy, not Dunleavy, Pierce has got that.

[jowglenn]

I think Calderon is actually fairly underrated. Is he overpaid? Sure. But he's one of the finest shooting PGs in the league, probably 2nd best after Nash. He can get high assist numbers. it's not like he's beno udrih or baron davis.

People are turned off by the contract... but if he was making 6.5 mil a year, everyone would be raving about what a steal he is.


Also i think he could turn it around in the right system/situation.


and if we could swing calderon/bargnani for murphy/ford/george, we get a massive upgrade at point and a young, silky shooting, weak side blocking PF in bargnani - guy is gonna be worth that contract, guaranteed. Him and hibbert together would be a sick combo.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Calderon is a bum. Jack played better than him. If we didn't want to pay Jack 4 years 20 million, why would you pay Calderon 3 years 29.5 million. Murphy is just as good as Bargnani, Bargnani plays as much defense as Murph(none) and is basically the same on offense. He just stands around the 3 point line and is ineffective most the game. You can score 15 but it doesn't help when you give up 25. We need a low post 4 so Roy can play the high post and create for the PF along with himself and the perimeter players. Somebody like Jeff Green or Carl Landry who can score down low and are active on defense. The opposite of Murphy and Bargnani. And Why would we pay Bargnani who doesn't make us better, 5 years 50 million instead of Lettin Murphy expire and outbid teams for either Jeff Green or Carl Landry.
Jowglenn we went over this about Kirk Hinrich, but I understand you likin a 3pt shootin point guard if Stephenson becomes a beast but you can't pay them 10 million a year and them also being a huge liabilty on defense. Maybe somebody like Randy Foye, who can shoot lights out, play some D and can actually break someone down off the dribble.

[Indy2thaWindy]

I'm sorry, but we do not need to get rid of salary or trade a double-double big with three point accuracy for some other expiring contract. Big Baby doesn't fit into our plans at power foward(even though he's sweet come post time). If we trade Murphy it needs to be in a package for another proven or dominating pf or pg. Then if we get a pg, we need to make sure we get Ford/Dunleavy traded to get the other position covered. Ultimately we want a proven who can lead possibly the next 2 years minimum and at the same time help mold our 3 draft choices into the future of the team.




ALL HAIL REGGIE!!!!!

We would use Wallace's Contract to pick up a young decent player off a team tryin to shed capspace immediately. Pacers should do this in a heartbeat. Big Baby given minutes like Murphy can be a lot more effective. Imagine him comin off the bench with a player like Magnum Rolle. Both players could compliment eachother well. We ain't gettin anything amazin for Murphy, maybe a draft pick or a young player if we trade him at the deadline. Why would teams trade pieces that will help them win a championship for a player they hope can be a role player at best?

[8305]

I would make the proposed trade with Boston. The additional 6 mil in cap space could go towards a point guard. We need that more than what Murphy brings in my opinion. We also need to create minutes for the young power forwards. It sounds like we can add Role list of young power forwards that need to be evaluated and this evaluation will never be made with Murphy getting 30+ minutes per game.

As to the trade idea with Toronto. Calderon's contract is just plain toxic and Bargnani and HIbbert would be just as bad defensively as Murphy and HIbbert. I agree that Bargnani possess an interesting skill set but he needs a long, athletic, physical player next to him and Hibbert isn't that guy.

[More Bang For The Bucks]

any interest from you guys in Ersan Ilyasova? Bucks need a back up center and Murphy could play minutes there as well

Bucks get Murphy/Foster

Pacers get Ilyasova/Bucks 2011 first/Redd

[DWCP2]

The Pacers are looking at a minimum return for him in a salary dump and could very easily be interested in a package that involves Glen Davis or Kendrick Perkins. Only problem is that if Rasheed Wallace becomes part of the deal, I'd like some assurances that he is retired and will stay retired so the Pacers would only be liable for 20% of his contract.

I would trade them Murphy for Davis and Wallace if Wallace is retiring. That's a great deal for both teams. Except that the salaries don't work out and Boston doesn't have any filler to make the deal work. It would have to be Dunleavy for Wallace and Davis.

Uh! Check that again!

I already did the math for ya further on down this topic.

Murphy makes just short of 12 million meaning a minimum return of 9 million does make the deal work.

[DWCP2]

any interest from you guys in Ersan Ilyasova? Bucks need a back up center and Murphy could play minutes there as well

Bucks get Murphy/Foster

Pacers get Ilyasova/Bucks 2011 first/Redd

That would destroy the Pacers current salary situation.

Foster must be swapped for Dunleavy to make the trade work.

[Scoot McGroot]

any interest from you guys in Ersan Ilyasova? Bucks need a back up center and Murphy could play minutes there as well

Bucks get Murphy/Foster

Pacers get Ilyasova/Bucks 2011 first/Redd

Can't do that deal in question as it adds over $3 million to the payroll, thus putting Indy in guaranteed luxury tax zone, and doesn't allow Indy to add a PG to the roster either, which is sorely needed.

It'd have to be Murphy/Ford for Ilyasova/Redd/1st for a deal to work financially.

I'd be relatively ok for a Ilyasova/1st for Murphy type swap, and I'd be willing to take the gamble that Redd won't be able to make it back for even one game next year and ride the insurance train for a deal like that (mostly because Ford just simply needs to go).

However, I don't think Indy's in a position where they can move both Murphy and Foster in the same deal, without getting back a serviceable big man in return as well.

A big man rotation of Hibbert, Hansbrough, Ilyasova, Solo Jones, Josh McRoberts, and Magnum Rolle is ridiculously thin. We'd need to keep Foster, ideally, and let Solo and Magnum duke it out for a roster spot, while adding a cheap PG to the roster for a year as well. That would cap us out, and also fill out the roster.

[DWCP2]

any interest from you guys in Ersan Ilyasova? Bucks need a back up center and Murphy could play minutes there as well

Bucks get Murphy/Foster

Pacers get Ilyasova/Bucks 2011 first/Redd

Can't do that deal in question as it adds over $3 million to the payroll, thus putting Indy in guaranteed luxury tax zone, and doesn't allow Indy to add a PG to the roster either, which is sorely needed.

It'd have to be Murphy/Ford for Ilyasova/Redd/1st for a deal to work financially.

I'd be relatively ok for a Ilyasova/1st for Murphy type swap, and I'd be willing to take the gamble that Redd won't be able to make it back for even one game next year and ride the insurance train for a deal like that (mostly because Ford just simply needs to go).

However, I don't think Indy's in a position where they can move both Murphy and Foster in the same deal, without getting back a serviceable big man in return as well.

A big man rotation of Hibbert, Hansbrough, Ilyasova, Solo Jones, Josh McRoberts, and Magnum Rolle is ridiculously thin. We'd need to keep Foster, ideally, and let Solo and Magnum duke it out for a roster spot, while adding a cheap PG to the roster for a year as well. That would cap us out, and also fill out the roster.

Ilyasova and Redd combine for 20.62 million. While Ford and Redd combined would equivate that mark really well, more then likely either Jones or Rush would have to be added or Dunleavy would have to be substituted for Ford.

[More Bang For The Bucks]

I don't know how the math would work but once the insurance on Redd starts in January you guys would save a ton on money would you not? You could pay some luxury tax and still save?

[DWCP2]

I don't know how the math would work but once the insurance on Redd starts in January you guys would save a ton on money would you not? You could pay some luxury tax and still save?

Well insurance in this league pays 80/20, meaning if Redd retires and doesn't play for 41 straight games with the same injury, the Pacers would only be on the hook for 20% of his 18.3 million salary which is roughly 3.66 million.

With that in mind, other teams needing to get under the luxury tax could put out more for Redd then the Pacers can.

The mindset for the Bucks should be to get what they can for an expiring moneysaver deal, but they don't need to give up a first unless Redd play's. Considering Dunleavy's success story of a comeback, I can't see how Redd can't come back from this.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't know how the math would work but once the insurance on Redd starts in January you guys would save a ton on money would you not? You could pay some luxury tax and still save?

It's not just that you pay luxury tax, it's that you also lose out on the luxury tax distributions.


IF Redd doesn't play a game this year, and we get to reap the insurance benefits, then yeah, we come out ahead by likely around....$3 million or so ($15 million in insurance payments - $3 million extra in salary - $3 million in luxury tax payments - roughly $5-6 million in lost luxury tax distributions).


So, it's not a huge financial coup to go over the luxury tax.



But in reality, there's not necessarily any need for Jones or Dunleavy to be in. Redd wasn't going to play for the Bucks anyway, so it's not like they need to balance the roster. They already got Maggette and CDR to round out the wing positions a bit.

[xenith]

if you give murphy you have to get some young guys or draft picks

nets : Kris Humphries+terrance williams or courtney lee or 2011 draft picks
orlando: gortat+bass or pietrus or draft picks
phoenix :hill + 2011 first round

all of them need a pf/c player and i believe all of them make that trades.

[Starkiller]

A big man rotation of Hibbert, Hansbrough, Ilyasova, Solo Jones, Josh McRoberts, and Magnum Rolle is ridiculously thin. We'd need to keep Foster, ideally, and let Solo and Magnum duke it out for a roster spot, while adding a cheap PG to the roster for a year as well. That would cap us out, and also fill out the roster.

I'd much rather just give the spot to Magnum, too much potential on both sides of the ball.

[Solid]

I am all for giving Rolle a lotta PT. Really hope he can surprise the world and be a great complementary starter beside Hib. We should have some idea by trade deadline if that is likely.

I think we ARE gonna need a real good young player or two, and by seasons end we should know what kind. I think Murphy needs to come off the bench for a contender or start beside an athletic defensive beast. The trade to put him there should yield for us one of those needed young players.

[Gremz]

Would Celtics do Murphy for Sheed and Bradley.

I can't imagine why they would.

Boston has to get realistic soon. They can't keep trading away young guys as they're going to have to rebuild at some point.

[Gremz]

if you give murphy you have to get some young guys or draft picks

nets : Kris Humphries+terrance williams or courtney lee or 2011 draft picks
orlando: gortat+bass or pietrus or draft picks
phoenix :hill + 2011 first round

all of them need a pf/c player and i believe all of them make that trades.

I think you'll find that all of those deals are lopsided in our favour.

Primarily, I'd look at a deal of a similar expiring and some sort of pick consideration, or just straight up financial benefits.

Otherwise, keep the guy until the deadline.