HOUSTON WE HAVE "A PROBLEM"

blueandgold · Post #1 » by **blueandgold** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:08 pm

Read where Houston is in the mood for addtional trading. From a depth chart perspective, the Pacers have a full stable of Wings (+TJ Ford) and the Rockets have the reverse where they are stocked at the PF position (even @ Center).

Seems this is the kind of team and environment we need to be talking with to resolve "The Problem"

Pacers to throw in the discussion: Ford, D. Jones, Dunleavy, Rush, Posey

Rockets to throw in the discussion: Hayes, Patterson, Jeffries, Jordan, Ming, Anderson

Let the salary matching Games Begin!

DougInOz · Post #2 » by **DougInOz** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:18 pm

Sounds like it might be possible, although Anderson got traded to Toronto for a 2nd rounder to clear up the logjam. I think it's safe to assume Scola, Miller, Patterson and Ming wouldn't get traded. And would we want a rookie anyway. Do we really want to take any of the others though (not that I know their contracts)? I'd like to think we can survive this season and grab Smith or Horford (preferably Horford).

Post #3 » by **Gremz** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:27 pm

I think Houston's rotation is pretty solid all around. Only reason why they'd make a trade would be for a major upgrade (which we can't provide) imo.

Wizop · Post #4 » by **Wizop** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:00 am

TJ for Jeffries works although I'd prefer a two for one. K-Mart for TJ and D Jones is legal.

Post #5 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:35 am

Wizop wrote:TJ for Jeffries works although I'd prefer a two for one. K-Mart for TJ and D Jones is legal.

Except it'd put Houston further into the luxury tax.

If anything it'd likely be Indy taking on Chuck Hayes for a 2nd rounder or Euro. That would get Houston out of the luxury tax for the season. Indy, then, however, would have to waive TJ Ford and Solo Jones if they wanted to bring in Magnum.

Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:39 am

Wizop wrote:TJ for Jeffries works although I'd prefer a two for one. K-Mart for TJ and D Jones is legal.

If they're taking on Dahntay (which I doubt they would, they seemed pretty ok to lose Dahntay last year for near nothing and already replaced him with Afflalo), I'd think they'd need to send out Renaldo Balkman's deal.

Maybe Kenyon and Balkman for Ford, Foster, and Dahntay? We could even eat the deals of Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter and waive them for Denver. It'd clear about $3 million total for Denver this year, $6 million in cash after the luxury tax. If they're done with Kenyon, it could be a solid deal.

Or possibly something centered around Ford + Dunleavy for Kenyon, Balkman, Carter?

Oh well, I don't see why Denver would consider any of those.

Dunthreevy · Post #7 » by **Dunthreevy** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:42 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Wizop wrote:TJ for Jeffries works although I'd prefer a two for one. K-Mart for TJ and D Jones is legal.

If they're taking on Dahntay (which I doubt they would, they seemed pretty ok to lose Dahntay last year for near nothing and already replaced him with Afflalo), I'd think they'd need to send out Renaldo Balkman's deal.

Maybe Kenyon and Balkman for Ford, Foster, and Dahntay? We could even eat the deals of Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter and waive them for Denver. It'd clear about $3 million total for Denver this year, $6 million in cash after the luxury tax. If they're done with Kenyon, it could be a solid deal.

Or possibly something centered around Ford + Dunleavy for Kenyon, Balkman, Carter?

Oh well, I don't see why Denver would consider any of those.

Scoot, I believe the K-Mart he was referring to was Kevin Martin.

Val Holliday · Post #8 » by **Val Holliday** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:16 pm

Why would either team be interested in a Kevin Martin trade?

Wizop · Post #9 » by **Wizop** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:58 pm

actually I just screwed up. I read Kevin Martin in the trade checker and thought Kenyon Martin. with so many trades going on it didn't bother me that I didn't remember him as a Rocket.

I agree we have no need for Kevin even though I really was high on drafting him some years ago.

Guy986 · Post #10 » by **Guy986** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:21 am

Yea the Rockets' rotation is pretty much set now.

Wing rotation being Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee, Shane Battier Chase Budinger.(we also have Jermaine Taylor whom we're high on but likely wont receive any minutes and Kyle Lowry will log some minutes at SG) Not spectacular but as solid as you can get.

Big men rotation is gonna be Yao, Scola, Brad Miller, Chuck Hayes, Jordan Hill.(the Rookie Patrick Patterson likley won't see any serious court time) Good, not great.

Scoot is right. The Rockets Gm may move a small deal like Hayes or Taylor to go under the lux tax. However, unless there is a significant upgrade at any of the starting position, i don't think the Rockets will be trading anytime soon.

Moooose · Post #11 » by **Moooose** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:57 am

I'd love to have Chuck Hayes but i have a feeling Hansbrough could be better in time. He may not possess the shotblocking ability that Chuck Hayes have but i think he could end up being a more complete player.
But if we could add a rebounder and shotblocker in Hayes, i'd be glad. We're gonna have a bruising frontcourt with him.

Tomas_11 · Post #12 » by **Tomas_11** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:55 pm

Dude Chuck Hayes is not a shotblocker lmao! He imo is one of the best post defenders in the league

Moooose · Post #13 » by **Moooose** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:55 am

Tomas_11 wrote:Dude Chuck Hayes is not a shotblocker lmao! He imo is one of the best post defenders in the league

Goodness, yes! I might be thinking of someone else i could not remember, someone maybe not even from Houston! LOL! He's the undersized guy, sorry i remember now.

lukekarts · Post #14 » by **lukekarts** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:56 am

You created a ~$4m TPE with the Collison trade... which could have it's uses in getting a team under the tax.

However with Houston, I'm of the opinion that if there's something Indiana want, that Houston were prepared to part with, it would have already happened as part of the 4-way anyway.

2012 2nd and 2013 1st (protected) for Patterson is something I'd throw out there...

jowglenn · Post #15 » by **jowglenn** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:37 pm

Who knows, maybe Houston really doesn't want Jeffries around - Ford and a 2nd rounder for Jeffries? Guy can certainly defend and doesn't need touches on O

Post #16 » by **Mr. E** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:42 pm

jowglenn wrote:Who knows, maybe Houston really doesn't want Jeffries around - Ford and a 2nd rounder for Jeffries? Guy can certainly defend and doesn't need touches on O

Aaron Brooks
Kyle Lowry
Ishmael Smith

Why would Houston want an 8.5 million dollar 4th PG?

Jeffries can actually contribute, and he costs less than Ford.

red96 · Post #17 » by **red96** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:08 pm

Would Indy be instrested in any 1 of Jordan Hill or P. Patterson and J. Taylor for Paul George?

Post #18 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:17 pm

red96 wrote:Would Indy be instrested in any 1 of Jordan Hill or P. Patterson and J. Taylor for Paul George?

For Paul George? No. If we were, we would've just drafted Patrick Patterson instead of George and called it a day. Taylor hasn't brought any value to himself outside of Houston. He's earned value to Houston, because they've been able to see him at workouts day in and day out, but no one else has.

Jordan Hill? Nope. Not really. A smaller separate deal for Jordan Hill where we trade up for him? Maybe, but I doubt Houston would want to.