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Re: George Hill should be our starting PG. 

Post#21 » by Miller4ever » Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:03 am

Not if Nash goes to Miami.

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Post#22 » by Nuntius » Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:37 am

Nash does not fit in Miami's system. He won't go there. I could see him going to Orlando, Philly, Denver or us. But not to Miami.
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Post#23 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Apr 4, 2012 12:32 am

Nash wants a 3 year deal? I'd give it to him. Not sure what the numbers would look like, but we could easily offer a 3 year/$11m per deal to him before re-signing Hibbs and Hill, and still have David West coming off next year for a potential Hansbrough extension and MLE signing, and then Danny expires when Paul is up for his extension. Heck, even Nash on a 3 year deal would expire the next year after Danny (thus, $10m+ expirings next year in West, the following year in Granger, and the year after that in Nash).

This type of move would allow us to move Collison in a deal as well (as George Hill would be re-signed, and a much better fit as he can play both the 1 and 2, allowing him to play WITH Nash as well as back him up). Barbosa could possibly be re-signed as well.

You'd still have a Collison deal along with the 1st rounder this year to add ancillary pieces, or re-tool a bit. You'd still need a backup C (maybe attained with the late 1st, like an Arnett Moultrie who could run with Nash and cut to the hoop a la Amare), and possibly another swing player if Barbosa walks (could be gotten via a smaller exception like the BAE or LLE, or in a Collison deal.

Nash/Hill
George/Barbosa?
Granger/Dahntay/Collison deal?
West/Hansbrough
Hibbert/1st?(Arnett Moultrie would be great here)

Pretty solid and VERY dangerous lineup there if Nash is still healthy. Even if not, you could survive with Hill until other moves were made. Still very cost effective (as well as cap flexible with West expiring, and Granger not far off as well), and still have all of your future picks to work with.
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Post#24 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Apr 4, 2012 12:38 am

Nuntius wrote:Nash does not fit in Miami's system. He won't go there. I could see him going to Orlando, Philly, Denver or us. But not to Miami.


Miami can only offer the tax payer MLE of $3 million to Nash. Even amnestying Mike Miller won't get them under the luxury tax. Nash will get MUCH more than that, and Miami simply doesn't have anything to work with in a S&T with Phoenix. Norris Cole is about the only young "potential" player they have, and Mario Chalmers would HAVE to go in the deal as salary filler (the only expiring or team option guy they would have to include). However, they would still have to include another contract (either Battier or James Jones) and both go additional years.

Those deals to Mike Miller, Mario Chalmers, and Joel Anthony are really going to hurt Miami going forward.
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Post#25 » by Starkiller » Wed Apr 4, 2012 12:47 pm

Miller4ever wrote:Deron Williams should be our starting point guard.


This so hard and fast it bleeds.
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Post#26 » by Miller4ever » Wed Apr 4, 2012 4:32 pm

Nash thinks he can go three more years. I say bring it on.
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Post#27 » by Wizop » Wed Apr 4, 2012 6:22 pm

I don't think Nash at his age would allow you to trade DC unless you are happy with AJ. Nash would be great but at his age he isn't playing heavy minutes every night. you'd need to be able to win on nights when he needed to be inactive and I think that requires DC.
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Post#28 » by Miller4ever » Wed Apr 4, 2012 6:57 pm

I also want to take a look at Dragic.
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Post#29 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Apr 4, 2012 7:06 pm

Wizop wrote:I don't think Nash at his age would allow you to trade DC unless you are happy with AJ. Nash would be great but at his age he isn't playing heavy minutes every night. you'd need to be able to win on nights when he needed to be inactive and I think that requires DC.


No, but having Nash and George Hill allows you to move DC. You can use either of Lance or retain AJ Price as the 3rd PG.
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Post#30 » by Wizop » Thu Apr 5, 2012 5:17 pm

Indy2thaWindy wrote:
Wizop wrote:"wish he could play like that every night."


But he can't, so no point in saying it.

But I will, so... wish he could play like that every night.


I think most of us are coming to see that DC is best when the team is running. Now to some extent I suppose it is fair to blame a point guard for not leading the others to run with him, but I've always thought the coaches set tempo. in any event, we seem to be running better recently. the 2nd team may have started it but the first team appears to have seen what the 2nd team managed and doesn't want to be left behind. Danny and Paul get out there. even Roy has his moments and can out run most of the guys his size. now West is probably a bit old and slow at this point but he's an excellent outlet passer so having him on the floor isn't a tempo killer.

bottom line, I think DC is just fine as our starter as long as we play up tempo.
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Post#31 » by 8305 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:28 pm

I'm liking what George Hill brings to the starting lineup. The starting group defends better with George substituted for Darren. Hope the Pacers take the time to experiment Darren coming off the bench before we get into the playoffs.
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Post#32 » by basketballwacko2 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:49 pm

Miller4ever wrote:Nash thinks he can go three more years. I say bring it on.



I don't think Nssh leaves the suns ever. 8-)
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Post#33 » by Nuntius » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:48 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:
Miller4ever wrote:Nash thinks he can go three more years. I say bring it on.



I don't think Nssh leaves the suns ever. 8-)


I can easily see Nash finishing his career in Phoenix. But if he doesn't, he is welcome in Indiana so we can contend with him :D
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Re: George Hill should be our starting PG. 

Post#34 » by Moooose » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:38 am

I'm starting to think Collison could actually be better in the 2nd unit. We have super hustling subs and Collison's quickness could actually make something happen when he's in the court with Barbosa, Dahntay, Tyler, and Lou.
Last year, in our annual sportsfest, that was our idea, and we won. We have a faster, wilder 2nd unit and boy, they got the other teams pretty exhausted. If we build a lead, we can rest the starters and make the 2nd unit protect the lead.
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Post#35 » by Nuntius » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:33 am

Moooose wrote:I'm starting to think Collison could actually be better in the 2nd unit. We have super hustling subs and Collison's quickness could actually make something happen when he's in the court with Barbosa, Dahntay, Tyler, and Lou.


Agreed. Also, Hill has proved in those last 3-4 games that deserves the starting nod.

I still miss DC but I'm confident with Hill :D
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Post#36 » by Pacersike » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:02 am

Moooose wrote:I'm starting to think Collison could actually be better in the 2nd unit. We have super hustling subs and Collison's quickness could actually make something happen when he's in the court with Barbosa, Dahntay, Tyler, and Lou.

Hope we will soon find out.
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Post#37 » by Wizop » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:39 am

Pacersike wrote:
Moooose wrote:I'm starting to think Collison could actually be better in the 2nd unit. We have super hustling subs and Collison's quickness could actually make something happen when he's in the court with Barbosa, Dahntay, Tyler, and Lou.

Hope we will soon find out.


and we have. it's official. Hill will start for the rest of the year even after DC returns.
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Post#38 » by Jase » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:59 pm

I just wanted to add that I think Hill is a great player for your team, and I think he was a great pickup. Ironic they you guys are 7-0 since he's been starting. Best of luck to you in the Playoffs, especially if #3 is still starting, and more importantly, finishing, games.
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