George Hill: lost in translation

[8305]

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Is George Hill good enough to be the long term answer at point guard? I've been considering that possibility. Chemistry between him and the other starters seems good. Maybe better than what Collison had established. He's an improvement defensively and that's important because the starter will spend more time defending the stronger opposing player.

Certainly Williams or Nash would be an upgrade but are we certain any of the other free agents would be a meaningful upgrade over George Hill? I'm not certain any of them would be. And, in the case of Dragic I think you're talking about a significant investment.

In Morway's interview a couple weeks back he made a point of wanting something sustainable. How would signing Steve Nash impact the longer term?

[Scoot McGroot]

I think Nash and Deron are the only two PG's that would actually be an improvement on what we have. That says a lot about George Hill, and even Darren Collison.

Signing Nash could still be long-term sustainable. If you give him a 3 year deal, and then trade Collison to fill other holes, you immediately improve the roster overall, while retaining George Hill to still play massive minutes (limit Nash to 30 minutes a night at PG, and play George Hill the other 18 there and another 12-18 at SG). Nash would help ALL of your players young and old improve, and would only be on the books for 3 years. Essentially, in consecutive years, you would have David West, then Danny Granger, then Steve Nash coming off the books for cap relief, and allowing you to continue to develop a long-term roster around Paul George, Roy Hibbert, and possibly George Hill.


We've got a deep and well rounded roster. We're getting close to the point though where you will have to trade solid guys to get GREAT guys. Or, turn into the next Detroit Pistons championship caliber team. We've got all our picks going forward (other than this year's 2nd rounder) and the ability to make moves.

[Boneman2]

Nobody likes a gloater.

I think Nash and Deron are the only two PG's that would actually be an improvement on what we have. That says a lot about George Hill, and even Darren Collison.

I think you're absolutely right Scoot. George Hill offers a lot on both ends, which we need, but I still believe Collison would be effective on a different team. Regardless, neither would wait around on Nash for 3 seasons.

When you ponder the circumstances you have to love the way George Hill has handled himself. He often times sounds very supportive of DC, his main hurdle to stardom. It means he is the ultimate teammate.

DC/Capspace/ +incentive is a nice start for any package

[Scoot McGroot]

Nobody likes a gloater.

I think Nash and Deron are the only two PG's that would actually be an improvement on what we have. That says a lot about George Hill, and even Darren Collison.

I think you're absolutely right Scoot. George Hill offers a lot on both ends, which we need, but I still believe Collison would be effective on a different team. Regardless, neither would wait around on Nash for 3 seasons.

When you ponder the circumstances you have to love the way George Hill has handled himself. He often times sounds very supportive of DC, his main hurdle to stardom. It means he is the ultimate teammate.

DC/Capspace/ +incentive is a nice start for any package

Add in Hansbrough, our first round pick, and the expiring contracts of Dahntay Jones, Jeff Pendergraph, and the non-guaranteed deal of Lance Stephenson, and we have some pieces to a deal this summer, if need be. Is it Dwight, or even Rondo worthy? Hardly, but it could net a pretty piece for the long-term.

[8305]

I think the best you'd be able to get from Hansbrough and our first is a move up in this draft. I don't see Tyler having the same value as George Hill. Stephenson, Pendergraph and Dantahy have pretty minimal value as I see it. I'd be surprised if anyone that could be acquired with a package of these assets would start for us. Given that, the best move might be be to make solid but short (two year) offers to Borbosa and Amundson. I also think before it's all said and done Davd West gets resigned.

I see us in the same position with Tyler Hansbrough that San Antonio was with George Hill. A guy we might not be able to resign due to other more critical salary requirements of our roster. The restart you get from a trade that returns a draft pick buys you three more cheap years of production (assuming the pick brings a solid player). Heck, given Larry's ability to hit with picks in the teens he might even draft a guy in this draft who long term becomes a core piece.

[Wizop]

Stephenson, Pendergraph and Dantahy have pretty minimal value as I see it.

don't forget that we have cap space so that while those guys may have minimal trade talent value, there will be deals to be made on the basis of payroll rather than talent.

Heck, given Larry's ability to hit with picks in the teens he might even draft a guy in this draft who long term becomes a core piece.

I like the names I see at the bottom of this years first round.

[8305]

You will have cap space if a deal can be made before Hibbert and Hill are resigned. Once those deals are done I don't see us having that much cap space. Could deals centered around our pick, Hansbrough and fringe guys return anyone that much better than Barbosa?

[Boneman2]

Barbosa cost us a 2nd.

I'd sure like to think a 1st/Hans/&capspace could garner a more significant return.

[8305]

Barbosa would be worth more on a reasonable contract signed for more than half a season. And, I'm curious what you think our pick, Hansbrough and cap space can return?

[Boneman2]

The real commodity is capspace, with the dependent variable being flexibility. I guess the return all depends on how much Simon is willing to spend. Ultimately, the potential of this f/a class is better than most other years, so hopefully that drives the value of our capspace up.

I'd offer Sacramento : Hans/DC/1st/capspace for somebody they will move this offseason.

[8305]

So you are thinking Thornton or Evans to be a backup here and you think Sacremento needs cap space?