George Hill PG stats

pacers70 · Post #1 » by **pacers70** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:12 pm

Now that the regular season is over, I was curious to see how George Hill did once we got Barbosa and the bulk of Hill's minutes were at PG. So her they are:

Total games: 22 (including games started)
Minutes per game: 26.6

ppg: 9.9
rpg: 3.1
apg: 4.2
tov: 1.1
fg%: 42.4
3pt%: 34.7
ft%: 80.0

As a starter. 9 games. Minutes per game 32.3.

ppg: 13.9
rpg: 3.7
apg: 5.3
tov: 0.9
fg%: 44.7
3pt%: 36.1
ft%: 77.8

I know this is just a limited number of games, but it looks to me like the Pacers have found the PG of the future...if they can keep him.

Post #2 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:18 pm

Those don't look like PG of the future numbers. Those look like Collison's numbers from last season.

In terms of PG skills, Collison and Hill both lack the pure awareness that the Nashes and Williamses and Rubios have.

Wizop · Post #3 » by **Wizop** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:24 pm

keep him yes, but those numbers are less than impressive. Jamaal Tinsley as a backup in Utah has about double Hill's assists per 48 minutes. not knocking George at all. he was a great addition. he's a perfect fit for a three guard rotation as he is comfortable both as a 1 or a 2. but he's not that floor general that can get everyone involved and make the perfect pass every time. we don't have that guy on the roster. no, Windy, that does not make the guys we do have terrible.

Boneman2 · Post #4 » by **Boneman2** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:53 pm

I don't disagree, but I am not opposed to acquire an even better pg all together if the opportunity presents itself. This team essentially got the #3 seed with DC running the offense, now imagine if an elite talent ran our offense.

As things stand George Hill appears to be a capable starter, not elite, but better than average. It would've been nice to see a larger sample of Hill actually running the offense before committing 7-8/per.

pacers70 · Post #5 » by **pacers70** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:53 pm

Minutes per game: 35.0

ppg: 17.0
rpg: 3.9
apg: 4.2
tov: 2.6
fg%: 43.3
3pt%: 28.0
ft%: 81.9

Are these the stats of the PG of the future?

No. They are the career ABA stats of the best PG in the history of the Indiana Pacers, the only one to lead the team to a championship. Freddie Lewis.

Hill does not have the stats of a Nash or Williams but Hill seems to have the leadership skills to lead the Pacers. Not to take anything away from Collison. He is a good PG, but I think Hill is a better leader.

In my opinion, Hill is the PG of the future.

Post #6 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:29 pm

Freddie Lewis was great, but we're talking about the PG position for the 2012-13 Pacers. Out ceiling for that position is high simply because of the potential personnel we can be getting. Freddie Lewis played in a different system than we do. We want a point guard that's a fit for our pick-and-roll heavy system. It's easy to defend Hill and Collison on those when they can't find the trickier angles that can really make our offense scary.

Also, I'm partial to Buse. I'd also give credit to Mel Daniels and George McGinnis and Roger Brown for leading the team.

The problem isn't stats, it's what Hill brings to the team. I think Hill brings a great deal, but it might be better served a spot over from the SG side. If we get Dragic or Williams, we'll still have great size if Hill slides over to SG.

8305 · Post #7 » by **8305** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:43 pm

I don't think Hill is an instinctive pg either and either Williams or Nash would be great. But, if we are so fortunate as to sign one of those guys I think George Hill is gone. The money it will take to get Williams or Nash along with the money needed to resign Hibbert coupled with the likelihood that someone will throw starting pg money at Hill will price him out of our budget.

If George HIll is ineffective in the playoffs the entire equation will change. But, with Orlando (Jameer Nelson) in the first round and Miami (Mario Chambers) in the second round chances are George Hill will have a solid playoff run. He will command starting pg money, more than can be justified for a 3rd guard.

Post #8 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:02 pm

Eh, I disagree 8305. If we can sign someone like Nash, George Hill is still affordable. Even with Hibbert's extension, and a new deal for George Hill, we'd stay under the luxury tax this year, and have David West expiring next season to give us some more breathing room.

If Nash comes, I would imagine they would push to re-sign George Hill as he can play both the 1 and the 2 spots well, and likely Collison would be gone in a trade, as well as Barbosa would probably not be re-signed.

Post #9 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:23 pm

We have other odd men out. Yeah, I see Collison being the odd man out. We have a lot of flexibility to keep the best players here. We are allowed to go over the cap to retain the major FA's. I think Hibbert will stay, but his agent will try to leverage more money out of us, but it won't be silly-type money.

Moooose · Post #10 » by **Moooose** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:27 am

The Basketball Jones latest episode has Skeets and Tas talking about Nash being a real possibility for the Pacers. They said Barbosa could be a factor in recruiting Nash.
We have the money to sign him for maybe a couple of seasons but we may need to trim some guys out to make room for the additions.
Instantly i thought about sending Collison and a draft pick to the Suns for Nash and maybe, just maybe, Robin Lopez or a second rounder (sign and trade).

Post #11 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:45 pm

Nash wants a 3-year deal. We have the means to give him that. He'll be 40 when he's done. Stockton was still a 10 and 7 player with great percentages at 40. That's the kind of guy we could be getting in Nash, if not better because Nash has been more prolific at this point in his career than Stockton.

Moooose · Post #12 » by **Moooose** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:44 pm

^^ I kinda thought about that because even if Nash plays only 20mpg, the knowledge and smarts he could teach are youngsters would be priceless, especially to the point guards. I'd be more than willing to give him a 3-year deal in my opinion. I don't think he'll ask for a bigger chink of money, everybody feels he only wants a real shot at the championship.

Post #13 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:11 pm

That's a bad typo, what with me being Chinese

Moooose · Post #14 » by **Moooose** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:35 am

LOL. I meant ching, not chink. Stupid letter k.

Post #15 » by **Miller4ever** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:41 am

Yeah, K's are a problem, especially when they come in 3's.

8305 · Post #16 » by **8305** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:08 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Eh, I disagree 8305. If we can sign someone like Nash, George Hill is still affordable. Even with Hibbert's extension, and a new deal for George Hill, we'd stay under the luxury tax this year, and have David West expiring next season to give us some more breathing room.

If Nash comes, I would imagine they would push to re-sign George Hill as he can play both the 1 and the 2 spots well, and likely Collison would be gone in a trade, as well as Barbosa would probably not be re-signed.

I hope the outcome you suggest would be the reality. What do you think George Hill commands if he tacks a strong post season on to his recent work as the starting point guard.

Also, am I reading you to say David West expiring is a positive? I get that him expiring reduces salary by 10 mil. But, I see him as a remarkable upgrade over what we had at his position previously. I expect that when the time comes we will want to extend him. Can we extend him, accumulate a serviceable bench and give starting point guard money to a third guard? I haven't studied the projected salaries that closely but wonder if that can all be done.

Post #17 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:01 pm

It's not necessarily a positive, but rather simply a fact. West will expire after next year. Yeah, he might re-sign, but he might want one last payday before he drops off the face of the earth, and we might not want to pay him what he wants.

Either way, it allows us flexibility.