The inevitable Danny Granger trade

[Mascot]

any interest in Bargnani, Anderson, Gray and Cash
for Granger, Green and B Hansbrough?

[pacers33]

any interest in Bargnani, Anderson, Gray and Cash
for Granger, Green and B Hansbrough?

WH-..

[Nuntius]

any interest in Bargnani, Anderson, Gray and Cash
for Granger, Green and B Hansbrough?

Not really but Eliza Dushku is great

[Scoot McGroot]

any interest in Bargnani, Anderson, Gray and Cash
for Granger, Green and B Hansbrough?

Nope. Bart's is a non-starter, and in this deal would battle Hansbrough for
The backup 4 minutes behind West. That's a huge waste of money for a small market like Indy.

Without Calderons big expiring, there's no basis for a Granger deal. A Ross and Calderon + for Granger was a start.

[Wizop]

allows the Pacers to use their 1st, their 2nd, and the Wizards 2nd to possibly move up in the draft for a long-term target on the wings (say an Oladipo) or at PF.

two months ago Oladipo wasn't even listed as a 2013 draft possibility. a month ago he made this year's list at the bottom of the first round. today he's listed in the top 10. I've given up hope.

[Jake0890]

any interest in Bargnani, Anderson, Gray and Cash
for Granger, Green and B Hansbrough?

Yeah, no thanks.



On the topic of IU draft prospects, I would love love love to get the tweener forward Watford in the 2nd round. I think he could be a steal.

[Charcoal Filtered]

We are certainly playing at a high level without Granger in the lineup, but need him if we are going to be any kind of threat in the playoffs. We are not facing any salary cap issues for the next couple of years and think now is the time to try winning it all. When West declines and we have to extend George is when we start making trades to shed salary.

[basketballwacko2]

Do you think there is a a way to keep Granger beyond 2014 without paying the luxury tax? I can't see it.

Is the luxury tax so bad? Obviously, if you're paying as large of a tax bill as the Lakers are, it becomes a problem.

Do you realize the significance of being over the tax threashold? This season it's $1 for $1, and you don't get a share of the money in the first round distribution. Next season it is much more punitive. $1 for $1 on the first $5 million over, that goes up in $5 million blocks $1.75 on the next $5 million, $2.5 on the next $5mil, and rising. If you are way over like Brooklin and the Lakers will be the tax next season is very big. And there may be $200-$300 million to be divided 30 ways an equal share going to all teams not over the tax threashold. Could be $10 million per team.

So yeah the tax should be avoided unless you're a Russian billionaire.

[basketballwacko2]

I love how the new CBA was supposed to be more beneficial to small-market teams. Yet Oklahoma City had to trade James Harden (hasn't hurt them too bad though), Memphis had to trade Rudy Gay, Utah will have to trade Al Jefferson and/or Paul Millsap, and Milwaukee may well lose Brandon Jennings to a bigger market. Yet in the last 2 seasons, Miami has acquired Ray Allen, the Lakers have acquired Steve Nash and Dwight Howard without losing Gasol or Ron Arrest (I mean, Metta World Peace), and New Orleans lost Chris Paul to the Clippers.

Those teams will pay thru the nose for those excessive roster additions. The Lakers and nets may well pay $100 million in tax next season.

[basketballwacko2]

In regards to a Danny trade, sometimes it's better to not make a move and just let him expire and walk than to be stuck with crap in return. Would 1 and a half years of Danny level production be worth more than having someone cheaper play for use for 2 full seasons? Maybe.

Yeah I'd say that sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make. I'd wait till draft day and see if we can move up by moving Danny then. If he plays well the remainder of the season and playoffs his value wil be much more than it is now.

If Victor Oladepo is in the draft I'd like to move up to get him, he looks like a defense stopper and will just get better. IDK who we might deal with at that time but you never know what might be there for a deal at that time.

[Scoot McGroot]

In regards to a Danny trade, sometimes it's better to not make a move and just let him expire and walk than to be stuck with crap in return. Would 1 and a half years of Danny level production be worth more than having someone cheaper play for use for 2 full seasons? Maybe.

Yeah I'd say that sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make. I'd wait till draft day and see if we can move up by moving Danny then. If he plays well the remainder of the season and playoffs his value wil be much more than it is now.

If Victor Oladepo is in the draft I'd like to move up to get him, he looks like a defense stopper and will just get better. IDK who we might deal with at that time but you never know what might be there for a deal at that time.

The way 'Dipo has played, especially in huge games, I have a feeling he's going to be top 10 before its all said and done.

[Scoot McGroot]

My out of left field Danny trade.

Minnesota is willing to give up multiple first round picks for an established wing player. To me, that is a bit interesting, considering Minnesota's top pick is top 10, as of right now. Obviously, Kevin Love coming back will change that, but it may still be a lotto pick.

Here's the thought. To me, Derrick Williams is not too interesting, especially already into his rookie contract a year and a half, and being a tweener SF/PF, where we are already set with George and West, respectively. To me, the Minnesota lotto pick and Andrei Kirilenko, as well as other peripheral upgrades are a better return than Derrick Williams, and could set Indy up long-term, while giving us a more guaranteed return the rest of the year. Also, the 3rd year of Gerald Green's deal, especially when he's not performing is a huge hindrance long-term for the Pacers, as it could put us up against the luxury tax.

Thus, my trade idea is this:

Pacers trade: Granger ($13), Green ($3.5), Augustin ($3.5), B Hansbrough ($.5)

Minnesota trades: Kirilenko ($9.8), Roy ($5.1), Ridnour ($4), Budinger ($.9), 2013 Minnesota 1st


For our Pacers, my thoughts are this. We move Granger, who could return fully healthy and be a great offensive force. However, we replace him with a serviceable offensive weapon off the bench in Chase Budinger (who should return shortly from knee surgery as well). Kirilenko slots in as backup PF, while playing some SF minutes. He could play in a lineup at the 3, 4, or 5 in most any combination with West or Hibbert next to him, and George or others underneath him. His defensive presence is what makes him attractive, as well as the fact that he expires the same year as Granger. Definite downgrade from Granger, but that's why the late lotto pick is involved. Ridnour is a huge upgrade from Augustin, and can play the 1 or 2, as can George Hill, giving us great flexibility. Roy is completely unguaranteed for next year with his re-aggravation of his knee injury and would be bough out post deadline (as he likely won't play again).

For the Wolves, they upgrade tremendously at the SF spot in Granger, while locking in Williams as the backup 3/4 spot, just like Kirilenko was. Augustin is a useful backup rotational PG for the rest of the year, and expires. Essentially, Kirilenko + Ridnour make the same fiscally as Granger, both this year, and next.


In addition, I'd look to move THansbrough + our 2nd (or our 1st if need be) for Gerald Henderson (+ more if we have to include our 1st), to balance out our lineup.

For the Pacers, I would run this lineup:

Hill/Ridnour
Lance/Henderson/Johnson
George/Budinger/Young
West/Kirilenko/Pendergraph
Hibbert/Mahinmi/Plumlee

You run that lineup for at least this year, and then you add a lotto pick in the off-season. Look to re-sign West, Budinger (if you can do so affordably), and Henderson (affordably as well). Then, Kirilenko and Ridnour still expire the following year, giving you balances to stay under the luxury tax, as well, while maintaining a solid rotational team, that still embraces defense, and matches it with a consistent ability to knock down the trey.

[basketballwacko2]

I saw a story about Gerald Henderson being on the block for a #1 pick. I'd like to get this guy If we move Tyler for him that might make us a bit thin a PF. I was encouraged by Pendergrafs last game. I'd like to see us add score that can come off the bench at SG like the addition of Barbosa last season, but other than JJ Redick I'm not sure who that would be. Would we give up a #1 to get Henderson? I guess we'll know in a day or 2.

[Jake0890]

If we did that trade Scoot, I'd definitely have Henderson starting.

Otherwise, I like the trade.

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