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Pacers biggest weakness last year?

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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#161 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:01 pm

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Jake0890 wrote:Point guard. And slightly. We got Watson, but I still have to see Hill run an effective offense the entire season before I can fully beieve in him and his contract.


Watson is a solid offensive bench/role player. but he really isnt a point gaurd and really isnt someone who can run and offense. he is a 2-gaurd in a points body. Not that he cant help, but i dont see him as an improvement to hill or collison at the PG spot from last year


Collison was a Mav last year and Hill is the starter, and SO much better than Watson. The hope is that Watson can just initiate the offensive flow and be a reliable 3 pt threat in our system. Augustine did neither over the full year.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#162 » by Moooose » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:54 pm

I agree Watson is not really a "pure" point guard by all means. But looking ahead, I think he is a better fit than DJ Augustin. He is accustomed to being a back-up role and he did pretty well in Golden State and Chicago. Though DJ is more of a playmaker, it was obvious last season that the Pacers are needing something else. And because our bench was not really producing nicely, DJ was stuck trying to make things happen as a playmaker for the 2nd unit. Now that we have upgraded our bench, Watson can focus on bringing up the ball and waiting for outlet passes.

Talking fantasy hoops, in the previous years, there are some point guards I try to avoid unless I am looking for help in the 3-pt and steals categories. Two of them are Watson and George Hill. That was before we got Hill from San Antonio.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#163 » by Nuntius » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:00 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:Watson is a solid offensive bench/role player. but he really isnt a point gaurd and really isnt someone who can run and offense. he is a 2-gaurd in a points body.


That's great. We don't need a point guard. Point guards die in our system. What we need is combo guards and I'm glad that Watson is one of them :)
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#164 » by DrazenForThree » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:32 pm

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DrazenForThree wrote:Watson is a solid offensive bench/role player. but he really isnt a point gaurd and really isnt someone who can run and offense. he is a 2-gaurd in a points body.


That's great. We don't need a point guard. Point guards die in our system. What we need is combo guards and I'm glad that Watson is one of them :)


he should fit well then. He can certainly gaurd 1's, handle ball, and score. He was really good for us last year although hard for a lot of net fans to really appreciate what he did last season with how horribly it ended with him here
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#165 » by Nuntius » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:38 pm

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DrazenForThree wrote:Watson is a solid offensive bench/role player. but he really isnt a point gaurd and really isnt someone who can run and offense. he is a 2-gaurd in a points body.


That's great. We don't need a point guard. Point guards die in our system. What we need is combo guards and I'm glad that Watson is one of them :)


he should fit well then. He can certainly gaurd 1's, handle ball, and score. He was really good for us last year although hard for a lot of net fans to really appreciate what he did last season with how horribly it ended with him here


Thanks for the information, mate. The skills that you mentioned fit the bill of what we want our back-up PG to do :)
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#166 » by Indianafan51 » Wed Sep 4, 2013 3:23 am

Biggest weakness was too many turnovers.


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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#167 » by Kirby » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:58 am

As an outsider watching in, it was most definitely your bench. I was screaming for Vogel to put Gerald Green in during the playoffs because he was the only player who could score off your bench. Stiffs like Hansbrough, Augustin (who are now stuck with my Raps driving the tank) were detriments and looked awful. Your bench has been bolstered very nicely and with Granger coming back, my money's on you guys beating the Heat.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#168 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:13 pm

Kirby wrote:As an outsider watching in, it was most definitely your bench. I was screaming for Vogel to put Gerald Green in during the playoffs because he was the only player who could score off your bench. Stiffs like Hansbrough, Augustin (who are now stuck with my Raps driving the tank) were detriments and looked awful. Your bench has been bolstered very nicely and with Granger coming back, my money's on you guys beating the Heat.


Appreciate the input, but Green may have been the worst of the bunch....


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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#169 » by Kirby » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:33 am

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Kirby wrote:As an outsider watching in, it was most definitely your bench. I was screaming for Vogel to put Gerald Green in during the playoffs because he was the only player who could score off your bench. Stiffs like Hansbrough, Augustin (who are now stuck with my Raps driving the tank) were detriments and looked awful. Your bench has been bolstered very nicely and with Granger coming back, my money's on you guys beating the Heat.


Appreciate the input, but Green may have been the worst of the bunch....


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I mean... He was the only one capable of putting the ball in the basket of your bench so let's agree to disagree haha.

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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#170 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:54 pm

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Kirby wrote:As an outsider watching in, it was most definitely your bench. I was screaming for Vogel to put Gerald Green in during the playoffs because he was the only player who could score off your bench. Stiffs like Hansbrough, Augustin (who are now stuck with my Raps driving the tank) were detriments and looked awful. Your bench has been bolstered very nicely and with Granger coming back, my money's on you guys beating the Heat.


Appreciate the input, but Green may have been the worst of the bunch....


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I mean... He was the only one capable of putting the ball in the basket of your bench so let's agree to disagree haha.

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Well, if you give him 20 shots off the bench, I guess he'd get it in about 7 times. Hansbrough was about the exact same, though.

Really, no one was able to score effectively off the bench for us last year. Green was one of the worst, though.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#171 » by Kirby » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:42 pm

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Appreciate the input, but Green may have been the worst of the bunch....


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Well, if you give him 20 shots off the bench, I guess he'd get it in about 7 times. Hansbrough was about the exact same, though.

Really, no one was able to score effectively off the bench for us last year. Green was one of the worst, though.

well not really shoot 20 shots, but perhaps spot up for a few jumpers and score off the ball. I think his three was much improved no? I swear literally no one could hit a shot off the bench for y'all and I just figured perhaps Green could. like come on, Sam Young?
Alas, I probably have watched less of him/Pacers than you have so I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#172 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:13 pm

Kirby wrote:well not really shoot 20 shots, but perhaps spot up for a few jumpers and score off the ball. I think his three was much improved no? I swear literally no one could hit a shot off the bench for y'all and I just figured perhaps Green could. like come on, Sam Young?
Alas, I probably have watched less of him/Pacers than you have so I'll leave it at that.


Well, we had high hopes for Gerald Green, but he was a massive disappointment. Green did his absolute worst off the bench as he's the kind of player that needs to play 30+ minutes a night to get into a rhythm and needs to be given the green light to shoot as much as he wants to be effective offensively. Even then, he's just not as efficient as everyone else.

Ultimately, we just had no one that could put the ball in the bucket consistently off the bench. We needed a Chris Copeland last year; a guy that can come in cold and just put up 8-10 points quickly via a wide variety of ways.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#173 » by Kirby » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:37 pm

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Kirby wrote:well not really shoot 20 shots, but perhaps spot up for a few jumpers and score off the ball. I think his three was much improved no? I swear literally no one could hit a shot off the bench for y'all and I just figured perhaps Green could. like come on, Sam Young?
Alas, I probably have watched less of him/Pacers than you have so I'll leave it at that.


Well, we had high hopes for Gerald Green, but he was a massive disappointment. Green did his absolute worst off the bench as he's the kind of player that needs to play 30+ minutes a night to get into a rhythm and needs to be given the green light to shoot as much as he wants to be effective offensively. Even then, he's just not as efficient as everyone else.

Ultimately, we just had no one that could put the ball in the bucket consistently off the bench. We needed a Chris Copeland last year; a guy that can come in cold and just put up 8-10 points quickly via a wide variety of ways.

Copeland, Scola, Watson, Stephenson/Granger is a definite upgrade. You guys are good to go for the chip imo.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#174 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:10 pm

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Kirby wrote:well not really shoot 20 shots, but perhaps spot up for a few jumpers and score off the ball. I think his three was much improved no? I swear literally no one could hit a shot off the bench for y'all and I just figured perhaps Green could. like come on, Sam Young?
Alas, I probably have watched less of him/Pacers than you have so I'll leave it at that.


Well, we had high hopes for Gerald Green, but he was a massive disappointment. Green did his absolute worst off the bench as he's the kind of player that needs to play 30+ minutes a night to get into a rhythm and needs to be given the green light to shoot as much as he wants to be effective offensively. Even then, he's just not as efficient as everyone else.

Ultimately, we just had no one that could put the ball in the bucket consistently off the bench. We needed a Chris Copeland last year; a guy that can come in cold and just put up 8-10 points quickly via a wide variety of ways.

Copeland, Scola, Watson, Stephenson/Granger is a definite upgrade. You guys are good to go for the chip imo.



Gracias, sir. We hope so. Copeland and Watson are guys who are primed and perfect backups. They understand that role so well, and have been successful in the limited minutes role. Scola seems like a guy that should fit well into that role and not only accept it, but find his way to thrive in it. Stephenson/Granger is a talent upgrade, but we'll also have to be careful in terms of managing egos, and whatnot.
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Re: Pacers biggest weakness last year? 

Post#175 » by FortyDaysThree » Wed Oct 2, 2013 1:07 pm

Backup wing was our biggest need last season. Most would say backup pg but I didn't see it that way.

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