Round 1, Game 5: #8 Hawks vs. #1 Pacers, Tied 2-2

[GrandBasterd]

I'm not assuming Vogel will be gone at all. We won more games than we have in a very long time. Yes, he seems to have been inflexible but he's trying to deal with some fragile egos. The players seem to have thought that after winning game 4, game 5 would be a walk-over. That didn't happen. I have to assume that all the coaches and perhaps Bird as well are in the game plan discussions so I'm not putting the blame on one person.

You can't just look at record. He had three months notice to fix this slide and he did nothing. Why is Hibbert being benched now and not a month ago. He hasn't tinkered with personnel one bit, and had three months to make an offense that looks like an NBA offense. He totally lost control of the team, biggest collapse in NBA history, and if he loses to the 8th seed in round one, he better be canned.

[GrandBasterd]

I think "psycho T" is a terrible basketball player and was a poor fit here. Look at the problem we are running into now with match ups. A team has to have versatility in its personnel. That's why I love Copeland, he presents different problems for defenses, than say West, he answers certain lineups better and he can play multiple positions. Also it allows you to fit him in with different lineups and see who plays well.

[Miller4ever]

He had three months notice to fix this slide and he did nothing.

He wanted to do everything he could with the same personnel that we went 33-8 with. If you tinker with a fragile situation the whole dam can come crashing down. He's trying to plug the holes.

[GrandBasterd]

He had three months notice to fix this slide and he did nothing.

He wanted to do everything he could with the same personnel that we went 33-8 with. If you tinker with a fragile situation the whole dam can come crashing down. He's trying to plug the holes.

No matter what his intentions were, the results were the worst collapse in the history of the NBA.
I will judge him on that.
He couldn't control players mentally, and couldn't control them on the court(unless this is the offense he envisions as a head coach in the nba).

Would you rather tinker with the line up in February, or try Copeland, and cj plus hill in the first round of the playoffs?

[Grang33r]

I watched coach Vogel's postgame press conference today (yea today, i couldnt stomach it last night), and i try to remain optimistic, but man, he sounds defeated. Didnt sound like the Vogel we've come to know. I know his attitude had to be different, since we're a game from being knocked out, but his answers and everything was just odd for him.

Hope im wrong, but its not good. Its like he knows he's lost the ship and it's game over.

[Moooose]

He had three months notice to fix this slide and he did nothing.

He wanted to do everything he could with the same personnel that we went 33-8 with. If you tinker with a fragile situation the whole dam can come crashing down. He's trying to plug the holes.

That was the problem, he lacks flexibility. The team went through changes and something has to adjust. Just like sticking with Roy Hibbert, he said he will start him because he won them games in the regular season. Well it is not the same Hibbert. And this is not the same squad that won games during the first half of the season.

I appreciate him standing firm, but it has not been working for the second half of the season. And I was thinking he'll figure it out and come up prepared in the postseason, but it looks like we are still adjusting.

[Wizop]

while I wish Vogel had played more small ball during the regular season, I feel that Hibbert has confidence problems which might have been aggravated. I can understand Vogel thinking that he'd lose Hibbert completely if he started someone else.

otoh, if you are going to stay big when the other team goes small, you must exploit your advantage inside on offense.

[EuroPacer]

I think "psycho T" is a terrible basketball player and was a poor fit here. Look at the problem we are running into now with match ups. A team has to have versatility in its personnel. That's why I love Copeland, he presents different problems for defenses, than say West, he answers certain lineups better and he can play multiple positions. Also it allows you to fit him in with different lineups and see who plays well.

Hansbrough is not a gracious player, he is not a brilliant athlete, he is not a good shooter or even defender. But he provides one thing that this squad seems to be lacking: A never say die work attitude and a preparedness to ram the ball down the throat of the opponent when that is needed.

[pacers33granger]

I think "psycho T" is a terrible basketball player and was a poor fit here. Look at the problem we are running into now with match ups. A team has to have versatility in its personnel. That's why I love Copeland, he presents different problems for defenses, than say West, he answers certain lineups better and he can play multiple positions. Also it allows you to fit him in with different lineups and see who plays well.

Hansbrough is not a gracious player, he is not a brilliant athlete, he is not a good shooter or even defender. But he provides one thing that this squad seems to be lacking: A never say die work attitude and a preparedness to ram the ball down the throat of the opponent when that is needed.

Yup. Hansbrough did a lot for us that wasn't really seen. He had the ability to get under opposing players' skin in a way that frustrated them, not like Lance where it takes him out of his own game and gets technicals. I hated watching Hansbrough's herky jerky shots that had no chance of going in, but it got us to the line, in the penalty, and got the refs to watch contact on our end closer. On top of that it helped us slow the game to our pace. You can't say that the Hawks would be running as much as they have on us if Hansbrough was knocking guys around and getting whistles. Scola's game being mid range jumpers primarily has hurt us there as it allows the other team to run on us when he bricks it.

[ATLHawksfan21]

I know Hansborough killed us in our series last year.

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[mikepacernation]

Hansbrough just played with so much energy. He was the type of guy that no matter how much he played he always gave 110%.

[mikepacernation]

Hansbrough just played with so much energy. He was the type of guy that no matter how much he played he always gave 110%.

[Jake0890]

Hans also had no talent. He'd grab an offensive rebound every once in awhile, pump fake 3 times, then try to draw the foul. If the refs didn't call it, he missed the shot. I'm more than happy with Cope-Scola replacing Hans.