The NBA is a Crooked league.

[2thehoopand1]

This country is free-speech but The first amendment should never cover racism.

This is blatantly false. You're correct that it's different for a private entity (though I thoroughly disagree with how the NBA has handled the Sterling fiasco), but you can be racist all you want so long as you don't act on it or your speech doesn't incite "imminent lawless conduct." If this were true, then the government could just arrest anyone with a swastika tattoo, any kid who uses the N-word, etc. The whole idea of free speech is anyone can say what they want so long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights and if you don't like what they're saying, then you don't have to listen to it.

The first part was my opinion I apologize if it wasn't clear enough


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[SmashMouthRod]

League wasn't crooked when the pacers were winning all those reg season games or was it ?


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The refs were still terrible. Ask the Clippers. Just listen to this video and tell me that there isnt something wrong with the league. Or even the media. It shouldnt be about the player; it should be about the right call period. Start it at 4:59 to save your time.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sCmZg1Lx8c&list=UUIIKPy27YWW5yhc0qvr4KnA[/youtube]

There is something wrong with any league that takes a franchise away from an owner because he said something stupid. Doesn't this country have a thing called "Free Speech?" I thnk what sterling said was massively stupid, but the NBA should not be allowed to take his team away over it.

Or how about fining PG for his comments or the many fines that the NBA gives out for Coach's and players for being critical of the Refs? FREE SPEECH MOFOs!!!

I agree about free speech; everyone should be entitled to it. but Donald Sterling said something that would cause players to not want to play for him; that could possibly kill sponsor revenue; and hurt the NBA financially (especially if players refuse to play) to keep a guy like that in an owner chair after those comments. I dont think theyre forcing the sell because of what he said. Because im pretty sure other owners feel similar (the guy had friends; even though there in hiding now). Its about Public relations. And those comments are bad for business when the NBA product is advertised and consumed globally. If they had never been recorded then nothing wouldve happened. Baron Davis had been saying he was racist for years and no action was taken.

[Nuntius]

Talking about the Sterling situation in a a "The NBA is a Crooked League" topic is really off-topic. Don't let the troll bait you into comments that you don't want to make, guys. He's just trying to get you in trouble. Feel free to continue the conversation (try to stay on topic as much as you can, though) but make sure that you never cross the line.

[pacers33granger]

This country is free-speech but The first amendment should never cover racism.

This is blatantly false. You're correct that it's different for a private entity (though I thoroughly disagree with how the NBA has handled the Sterling fiasco), but you can be racist all you want so long as you don't act on it or your speech doesn't incite "imminent lawless conduct." If this were true, then the government could just arrest anyone with a swastika tattoo, any kid who uses the N-word, etc. The whole idea of free speech is anyone can say what they want so long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights and if you don't like what they're saying, then you don't have to listen to it.

The first part was my opinion I apologize if it wasn't clear enough


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Ah no biggie. Sorry for jumping on you about that point, but I've seen a lot of people (on here and elsewhere) claiming that's how the law works. Unfortunately racism is just as rampant as ever from all points, just gets swept under the rug more now, but restricting freedoms isn't the way to fix that issue.

Nonetheless this isn't really the focus of this thread. Ultimately the NBA is a business and anyone who expects them not to do whatever they can to maximize profits is naive. It's done with children in AAU leagues and Pop Warner football, so it should come as no surprise that the NBA, NFL, etc. aren't "pure."

[2thehoopand1]

There is something wrong with any league that takes a franchise away from an owner because he said something stupid. Doesn't this country have a thing called "Free Speech?" I thnk what sterling said was massively stupid, but the NBA should not be allowed to take his team away over it.

Or how about fining PG for his comments or the many fines that the NBA gives out for Coach's and players for being critical of the Refs? FREE SPEECH MOFOs!!!

This country is free-speech but The first amendment should never cover racism. However we are not talking the government. Which private entity called the NBA. The part of his private entity you have to follow rules. Now what Donald said he was private but then became public you can't never close that can of worms now. As for Paul George players can't not criticize the Refs especially the media. Under David Stern that was a fine and glad to see that it's still a fine.


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SO now you're smarter than the Framers of the US Constitution? You are smarter than James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson. We have a right to be racists, a-holes if we want to. What the NBA is doing is wrong. What should happen is the players on the Clippers team should refuse to play for them. The fans should stay away from their Home games, no one should buy a clippers jersey or hat. The Free market should determine what happens to the Clips and Sterling. If Paul, Griffin and others demanded to be traded and were the value of the franchise would drop and the Clips revenues would drop to near nothing. Then Sterling would be forced to sell the team or lose his ass financially. That's the market at work.

As it is Sterling will sell the team under duress for $2 billion then sue the NBA and win a judgement for Millions more. Real smart isn't it?

I never said I was smarter than those man were. We can be racist but if we chose to be but what happens as a result of being racist is our punishment as well. As for the players and fans of the clippers. There was no need to protest the tickets were bought jerseys were sold and the players played all the to get to the playoffs. Some of those players will never make it back. Being an NBA owner has it's privileges and also it's responsibilities have to represent the the NBA. Sterling failed to do so and but the NBA in negative light. when a player shows complete a disregard for the league no team will hire him. It should be the same for the higher ups. As for the tape I don't care how it got out I'm glad it did I'm glad it's public. If sterling takes this to court then he going to repeat some of what was on tape.


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[2thehoopand1]

Talking about the Sterling situation in a a "The NBA is a Crooked League" topic is really off-topic. Don't let the troll bait you into comments that you don't want to make, guys. He's just trying to get you in trouble. Feel free to continue the conversation (try to stay on topic as much as you can, though) but make sure that you never cross the line.

If and pretty sure your talking about me my friend just because I disagree with a couple of your comments doesn't make me a troll. I just came to see how "NBA was cooked" nothing new here just a game four pity party / Heat fan bashing bonanza. One of your guys brought up sterling and Paul George's 25k fine for whining about the refs. I been nothing but respectful in the pacer forum


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[Nuntius]

Talking about the Sterling situation in a a "The NBA is a Crooked League" topic is really off-topic. Don't let the troll bait you into comments that you don't want to make, guys. He's just trying to get you in trouble. Feel free to continue the conversation (try to stay on topic as much as you can, though) but make sure that you never cross the line.

If and pretty sure your talking about me my friend just because I disagree with a couple of your comments doesn't make me a troll. I just came to see how "NBA was cooked" nothing new here just a game four pity party / Heat fan bashing bonanza. One of your guys brought up sterling and Paul George's 25k fine for whining about the refs. I been nothing but respectful in the pacer forum


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You have been respectful in this thread and that's exactly why I'm not taking any actions against your current posting. You are welcome to post here as long as you keep it civil like you're doing right now.

However, your overall attitude towards the Pacers and our fanbase is not respectful at all. You have attacked and baited our forum members in some other forums. I cannot do anything about it since it didn't happen in the Pacers forum but I still remember it.

Therefore, it is my duty to advice my fellow Pacer fans to not be carried away and attack you because of your baiting attitude on the GB and other places. That's where the "ignore the troll" part comes into play.

[basketballwacko2]

Talking about the Sterling situation in a a "The NBA is a Crooked League" topic is really off-topic. Don't let the troll bait you into comments that you don't want to make, guys. He's just trying to get you in trouble. Feel free to continue the conversation (try to stay on topic as much as you can, though) but make sure that you never cross the line.

I brought up the Sterling issue in relation to the fine on PG for his comments after game 4. I don't believe the league has the authority to fine PG or anyone else over something he said. As for Sterling he may be reprehensible and offensive but he has a right to free speech. The right of free speech does not give one the right to be heard or force anyone else to listen to these offensive remarks. I believe the best thing to do with him was let the fans and players punish him.

I think this is an example of the NBA over stepping and if they will abridge constitutional rights they will fix games and draft lotteries to make money.

[DarkoNeedsAfro]

Ironic... you question if people watch the games then point out Hibbert and Stephenson's stats for being the reason the Pacers lost. If you had watched the game then you'd know they spent most of the game on the bench because the refs immediately put them into foul trouble. Sounds like it's you who has no idea what he's talking about. The Heat fans here probably watched as many Heat regular season games as they have Heat playoff games. All season they don't watch games and make comments like "we're coasting" and "we don't care". Heat fans are the worst NBA fans hands down and most around here won't be Heat fans when the Big 3 era is over. Pathetic.

So ...those 2 combining for 1 point didn't have anything to do with them losing? Obviously they were in foul trouble, but they also did nothing when they were in the game. But ok.

You are the epitome of the Heat hating fan I was kind of talking about. You're worried about how long their fans have been signed up. Or have been fans at all. And called them the best team money can buy. Well, yeah I guess they are....but you realize that the Pacers aren't playing for free right? It is a business, there is a salary cap, free agents sign every year to every team, players make money...its a whole thing. The Heat didn't invent it. So are you, and others, mad that they assembled a good team? Apparently. Does that make any of their fan's points less valid or make the team "bad"? No(even though there are ignorant fans for every team...as has been shown) I just don't understand this overall thought process. Outside of people in Cleveland who I'm sure were upset when Lebron left I don't understand why anyone cares. Players get trashed all the time for not wanting to win and for playing for the money. This group wanted to win and took less money to do it. Those bastards! And good teams always have a huge following. Do you think Jordan and the Bulls were so popular because people loved his Gatorade commercials?

[Nuntius]

Talking about the Sterling situation in a a "The NBA is a Crooked League" topic is really off-topic. Don't let the troll bait you into comments that you don't want to make, guys. He's just trying to get you in trouble. Feel free to continue the conversation (try to stay on topic as much as you can, though) but make sure that you never cross the line.

I brought up the Sterling issue in relation to the fine on PG for his comments after game 4. I don't believe the league has the authority to fine PG or anyone else over something he said. As for Sterling he may be reprehensible and offensive but he has a right to free speech. The right of free speech does not give one the right to be heard or force anyone else to listen to these offensive remarks. I believe the best thing to do with him was let the fans and players punish him.

I think this is an example of the NBA over stepping and if they will abridge constitutional rights they will fix games and draft lotteries to make money.

Everyone has the right to free speech and the NBA has the right to protect its corporation from infamy. That's exactly why Sterling was voted out by the rest of the owners and why PG was fined for his comments.

[Nuntius]

I will also remind to everyone posting in this thread that baiting is not tolerated. So, let's stop with the generalizations between "Heat fans" and "Heat hating fans". Don't attack or bait fanbases. That goes for fans of both teams.

[2thehoopand1]

No it isn't


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[basketballwacko2]

I will also remind to everyone posting in this thread that baiting is not tolerated. So, let's stop with the generalizations between "Heat fans" and "Heat hating fans". Don't attack or bait fanbases. That goes for fans of both teams.

I've posted here for 12 yrs and one thing you'll never see me do is go to another teams board and talk smack about that team. I see it happen to us all the time.

[SmashMouthRod]

This game is hopefully a game that is less impacted by the zebras and more by the play. Let the superstars dictate who wins. This is too big a game to have calls be a factor in making people wonder what if. I know if I had paid to go to the game I would want to see a game that everyone gets to leave it all on the court.

[Nuntius]

I will also remind to everyone posting in this thread that baiting is not tolerated. So, let's stop with the generalizations between "Heat fans" and "Heat hating fans". Don't attack or bait fanbases. That goes for fans of both teams.

I've posted here for 12 yrs and one thing you'll never see me do is go to another teams board and talk smack about that team. I see it happen to us all the time.

I know what you mean but just because this is our board it doesn't give us the right to violate RealGM rules. The Heat fans who come here to troll will be dealt with if our posters take the high road and don't bite to their trolling attempts.

[MIA316]

Hibbert scores 0 and Stephenson scores 1 before garbage time and its the refs fault?.

Well Hibbert and Stephenson wouldnt have had 0 and 1 pts if they werent on the bench for a good portion of the game in foul trouble for breathing on the heat players. The heat cant get beat if the refs put the best players from the opposing teams on the bench. Im an unbiased basketball fan and a coach and I like to watch good basketball with an unbiased opinion. The pacers offensive sets arent the best and If you are saying that the Heat would beat Indy whether the calls are made or not; thats totally different than the Heat beating them with Stephenson and Hibbert on the bench for most of game 4; and Paul George on the bench for a lot of Game 3. I got a lot of Respect for Wade and James. They are two of the best to ever play. But make them show us why; nobody wants to watch them destroy Rasual Butler and other guys who arent any comparison in skill or talent. Let us see Lebron reach Jordan's level if he can in terms of being unstoppable no matter who's on the court. I dont feel we got to witness if Lebrons that great because of the calls.

Sooooo, was it the refs faults that the Pacers were taken out to the wood shed in Game 6...?

[MIA316]

I will also remind to everyone posting in this thread that baiting is not tolerated. So, let's stop with the generalizations between "Heat fans" and "Heat hating fans". Don't attack or bait fanbases. That goes for fans of both teams.

I've posted here for 12 yrs and one thing you'll never see me do is go to another teams board and talk smack about that team. I see it happen to us all the time.

It happens to EVERY team.

[MIA316]

If you really think the refs are the reason you lost this game, then there's really no point in me trying to talk sense into you. You need to have it in the first place.

Well said Jaxon. I love hearing the fans whine about the officiating favoring the Heat. I've heard it ever since the 2006 Finals with Dwyane Wade..

You mean the most rigged finals ever? The one where they had a referee that went to prison for rigging games? Oh... yeah, no way it was rigged. Mavs were up 2-0 and up by 8 with 1:30 left in game 3. Miami shot 8 free throws in the final 1:30 to win. Yep, legit. Teams up by 8 with 1:30 always foul that many times, right? Shouldn't Miami have been fouling the Mavs to stop the clock? Didn't need to with the refs. The Heat would proceed to shoot 49 free throws in a game. Yep, that's normal. Then wade breaks Jordan's record for free throw attempts in 6 games when it took Jordan 7. Congrats on bringing up the most rigged finals of all-time. Way to make your point.

Bwaahahaahhahaaaaa ... man, I almost ran out of breath from laughing so hard. Rigged Finals...? And that's how the MavWrecks were up 2-0 on the Heat right..? Bc the Finals were rigged...? LMAO.

A bit of knowledge for ya .. the reason Miami was getting all the FTs is bc they were playing in the paint that series. Here's some stats from the box score of that series...

Points in the Paint in Miami's 4 wins:
Game 3: DAL - 34, MIA - 52
Game 4: DAL - 26, MIA - 42
Game 5: DAL - 26, MIA - 28
Game 6: DAL - 44, MIA - 32
Total: DAL - 130, MIA - 154

For the ENTIRE SERIES:
FG%: MIA - .458, DAL - .422
FTAs: MIA - 207, DAL - 155
FTMs: MIA - 125, DAL - 122
FT%: MIA - .604, DAL - .787
3PAs: MIA - 105, DAL - 116
3PMs: MIA - 32, DAL - 33
ASSs: MIA - 16.7, DAL - 15.8
STLs: MIA - 7.8, DAL - 7.3
BLKs: MIA - 3.8, DAL - 3.3
REBs: MIA - 263, DAL - 251

The ONLY category that the MavWRECKS outperformed the HEAT in that 2006 Championship series was their FT%.

But, you go right ahead and focus on the 3 more points the Heat scored at the FT line. CLEARLY the officials had EVERYTHING to do with Miami winning that series and it had nothing to do with Miami completely outplaying the MavWRECKS in every other statistical measure.

[Nuntius]

Sooooo, was it the refs faults that the Pacers were taken out to the wood shed in Game 6...?

No but the sarcastic tone isn't appreciated in here.

[basketballwacko2]

Sooooo, was it the refs faults that the Pacers were taken out to the wood shed in Game 6...?

Sock Puppet Alert!!