Edit: Woj: A Lance return to the Pacers?

[gipper08]

But if the pacers were to get vonleh instead of zeller then by all means do it. I think vonleh has more upside then zeller but this is just my opinion 

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Vonleh has higher ceiling but lower floor than Zeller. I say they should pursue both.

This is where a GOOD agent plays an important role. He could steer lance back to Indiana giving Indiana preference(saying lance wants Indiana or else) . This would give Indiana leverage and give Brooklyn pause. No one will trade for Lance if Lance does not want to be there.

Given this summer I don't think Lance's agent has the skills for this.

[mikepacernation]

But if the pacers were to get vonleh instead of zeller then by all means do it. I think vonleh has more upside then zeller but this is just my opinion 

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Vonleh has higher ceiling but lower floor than Zeller. I say they should pursue both.

This is where a GOOD agent plays an important role. He could steer lance back to Indiana giving Indiana preference(saying lance wants Indiana or else) . This would give Indiana leverage and give Brooklyn pause. No one will trade for Lance if Lance does not want to be there.

Given this summer I don't think Lance's agent has the skills for this.

If I remember correctly lances agent is a real moron. Let Lance believe that the pacers signing miles meant they didn't want lance even though bird came out an said offer is still there


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[8305]

If Charlotte is testing the market for Lance's trade value already, I'd say their best case scenario is moving him for expirings. But, if you are an NBA executive lance was scary last year she en he was in the middle of the Pacer's implosion. Now, he's only strengthened the perception that he's franchise poison. Ask a team to take that risk and you are probably going to have to compensate them for that risk.

So I'd say
Scola, Copeland and Watson for Lance and value

Value being any one of their 2015 1st, Vonleigh, Zeller.

[Solid]

Their fans expect a good return.
Reasonable trades like that will be called "wet dreams".
They value their pick over Vonleh but value Vonleh over that^^ whole package.

[JDR720]

Their fans expect a good return.
Reasonable trades like that will be called "wet dreams".
They value their pick over Vonleh but value Vonleh over that^^ whole package.

We can't trade a 1st or a young core piece just to dump Lance, we are way too bad a team to consider it. I would much rather just cut him and pay him his guaranteed money.

Vonleh was widely thought of as a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft and Charlotte is currently at 6th in the 2015 draft, just one game out of 4th. Cody was a top 5 pick (in a weak draft i know) and has earned the starting role this season.

If we we're a good team picking in the 20's it might be different, but we aren't we can't afford to impair the long-term future of the team just to get rid of him.

[basketballwacko2]

Their fans expect a good return.
Reasonable trades like that will be called "wet dreams".
They value their pick over Vonleh but value Vonleh over that^^ whole package.

We can't trade a 1st or a young core piece just to dump Lance, we are way too bad a team to consider it. I would much rather just cut him and pay him his guaranteed money.

Vonleh was widely thought of as a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft and Charlotte is currently at 6th in the 2015 draft, just one game out of 4th. Cody was a top 5 pick (in a weak draft i know) and has earned the starting role this season.

If we we're a good team picking in the 20's it might be different, but we aren't we can't afford to impair the long-term future of the team just to get rid of him.

I agree with the points you're making here that you cannot give up the pick or Vonleh, if you think that Lance is messing up your team then you should dump him. We'll take him off your hands. How about Neal, Lance and a pick swap in 2016 our option for George Hill and Miles?

I'm sure I'm going to get some Pacers fans screaming at me for suggesting we move GH but he's work great next to Kemba Walker and you'd have Miles on a reasonable contract. If this fixes your team you wouldn't be losing much in a pick swap.

The Pacers would then install Lance at point and either Stuckey or Neal at SG. If Lance doesn't work out for us at point he can go back to SG. Neal expires at the end of the season, We draft a young pg and if Lance doesn't work out in 2015-16 we can trade him as his 3rd yr is a team option the he can be declined and save big money on the cap.

[mikepacernation]

Their fans expect a good return.
Reasonable trades like that will be called "wet dreams".
They value their pick over Vonleh but value Vonleh over that^^ whole package.

We can't trade a 1st or a young core piece just to dump Lance, we are way too bad a team to consider it. I would much rather just cut him and pay him his guaranteed money.

Vonleh was widely thought of as a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft and Charlotte is currently at 6th in the 2015 draft, just one game out of 4th. Cody was a top 5 pick (in a weak draft i know) and has earned the starting role this season.

If we we're a good team picking in the 20's it might be different, but we aren't we can't afford to impair the long-term future of the team just to get rid of him.

I agree with the points you're making here that you cannot give up the pick or Vonleh, if you think that Lance is messing up your team then you should dump him. We'll take him off your hands. How about Neal, Lance and a pick swap in 2016 our option for George Hill and Miles?

I'm sure I'm going to get some Pacers fans screaming at me for suggesting we move GH but he's work great next to Kemba Walker and you'd have Miles on a reasonable contract. If this fixes your team you wouldn't be losing much in a pick swap.

The Pacers would then install Lance at point and either Stuckey or Neal at SG. If Lance doesn't work out for us at point he can go back to SG. Neal expires at the end of the season, We draft a young pg and if Lance doesn't work out in 2015-16 we can trade him as his 3rd yr is a team option the he can be declined and save big money on the cap.

I don't like the thought of lance an stuckey playin together. Would make for a bad pairing. But honestly I wouldn't mind seeing Hill go lance has way more upside then hill does


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[Scoot McGroot]

We can't trade a 1st or a young core piece just to dump Lance, we are way too bad a team to consider it. I would much rather just cut him and pay him his guaranteed money.

Vonleh was widely thought of as a top 5 pick in the 2014 draft and Charlotte is currently at 6th in the 2015 draft, just one game out of 4th. Cody was a top 5 pick (in a weak draft i know) and has earned the starting role this season.

If we we're a good team picking in the 20's it might be different, but we aren't we can't afford to impair the long-term future of the team just to get rid of him.

I agree with the points you're making here that you cannot give up the pick or Vonleh, if you think that Lance is messing up your team then you should dump him. We'll take him off your hands. How about Neal, Lance and a pick swap in 2016 our option for George Hill and Miles?

I'm sure I'm going to get some Pacers fans screaming at me for suggesting we move GH but he's work great next to Kemba Walker and you'd have Miles on a reasonable contract. If this fixes your team you wouldn't be losing much in a pick swap.

The Pacers would then install Lance at point and either Stuckey or Neal at SG. If Lance doesn't work out for us at point he can go back to SG. Neal expires at the end of the season, We draft a young pg and if Lance doesn't work out in 2015-16 we can trade him as his 3rd yr is a team option the he can be declined and save big money on the cap.

I don't like the thought of lance an stuckey playin together. Would make for a bad pairing. But honestly I wouldn't mind seeing Hill go lance has way more upside then hill does


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I think Hill's one of the few other guards in the league that can play with Lance long-term. He's one of the few guys that could coexist with him.

[8305]

I agree with the points you're making here that you cannot give up the pick or Vonleh, if you think that Lance is messing up your team then you should dump him. We'll take him off your hands. How about Neal, Lance and a pick swap in 2016 our option for George Hill and Miles?

I'm sure I'm going to get some Pacers fans screaming at me for suggesting we move GH but he's work great next to Kemba Walker and you'd have Miles on a reasonable contract. If this fixes your team you wouldn't be losing much in a pick swap.

The Pacers would then install Lance at point and either Stuckey or Neal at SG. If Lance doesn't work out for us at point he can go back to SG. Neal expires at the end of the season, We draft a young pg and if Lance doesn't work out in 2015-16 we can trade him as his 3rd yr is a team option the he can be declined and save big money on the cap.

I don't like the thought of lance an stuckey playin together. Would make for a bad pairing. But honestly I wouldn't mind seeing Hill go lance has way more upside then hill does


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I think Hill's one of the few other guards in the league that can play with Lance long-term. He's one of the few guys that could coexist with him.

I agree that in theory Hill should be able to co-exist with Lance. However, at the end of last season it didn't look to me like the theory was holding true. In the Playoffs it appeared to me that Hill played his best basketball when he didn't have to deal with Lance or was freed up to handle the ball forcing Lance to deal with playing off of it.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't like the thought of lance an stuckey playin together. Would make for a bad pairing. But honestly I wouldn't mind seeing Hill go lance has way more upside then hill does


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I think Hill's one of the few other guards in the league that can play with Lance long-term. He's one of the few guys that could coexist with him.

I agree that in theory Hill should be able to co-exist with Lance. However, at the end of last season it didn't look to me like the theory was holding true. In the Playoffs it appeared to me that Hill played his best basketball when he didn't have to deal with Lance or was freed up to handle the ball forcing Lance to deal with playing off of it.

Two different things. Hill does play his best ball without being burdened with Lance, but Lance can't play without a guy like Hill being able to play decently well off ball. Look at how bad it has been with him and Kemba both trying to dominate the ball. Sure, Hill would be best without Lance, but he's still good with Lance. Essentially the combo of Hill and Lance is probably better than Hill with Miles, or whatnot.

[8305]

Yeah, I see your point as to HIll/Lance vs Walker/Lance. I think it remains to be seen whether Hill/Miles will be better or worse than Hill/Stephenson. At the end of last season Hill was pretty bad trying to play the point with two ball dominate wings. Over all I think Lance is a difficult guy to build around. You need a non-traditional pg who is an excellent distance shooter yet still capable of settling things down. Throw in the fact there will be defensive matchups you will want this point guard to cover for Lance (I'm thinking Kyle Korver). Is there someone who would be better at this than George Hill (who struggled at it mightily last year?? And even then you still aren't done. At least one other dangerous shooter at the other three positions coupled with bigs who don't clog the middle is probably needed in a perfect Lance's world.