Question from a Wolves fan

ace625214 · Post #1 » by **ace625214** » Fri Jan 9, 2015 9:45 pm

We were having a discussion over on the Wolves board, and someone brought up Paul George and Roy Hibbert. Now, I know most Pacers fans are likely open to trading Hibbert for good value, but what about George? It seems to me that right now the Pacers are stuck in the middle with West aging, PG out, and Hibbert being off-and-on. Say the Timberwolves get the 1st overall pick. In your eyes, how close is that to the value of an injured Paul George? Would some combination of the 1st pick and anyone on the roster not named Wiggins or Rubio be able to get both George and Hibbert?

Keep in mind, I'm not suggesting any of this should/would happen or even saying it's plausible. I'm just asking a question about value from people who know the team/situation/direction much better than I do.

Post #2 » by **Jake0890** » Fri Jan 9, 2015 9:59 pm

I'd say it's pretty unlikely PG goes ANYWHERE. Just from the standpoint that he's our only star player since Reggie retired makes it pretty hard to trade a bona fide, current superstar.

But even outside of the emotional attachment to him, I'm not sure I see a lot of value in trading him for a rookie, even if it is Jahlil Okafor. The Pacers really don't have many young players as it stands, Solomon Hill being the only player still on his rookie contract IIRC. West just signed a 3 year deal, Hill is locked in for another couple years, PG just signed a max, Hibbert may pick up his option in the off-season, and C.J. Miles has a 4 year deal with us. If anything, it seems like we'd be going after more players to push us towards a championship, not the other way around.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if you were offering the 1st pick + Lavine + Shabazz for PG or something like that, if I'm the Pacers GM, I'm declining that all day.

Post #3 » by **pacers33granger** » Fri Jan 9, 2015 10:08 pm

Pretty much what Jake said. If the Wolves offered a package starting with Wiggins, we may have to listen, but it'd have to be a severe overpay from the Wolves.

mikepacernation · Post #4 » by **mikepacernation** » Fri Jan 9, 2015 10:55 pm

Oh man no way the pacers should consider that... The only way they should is if they offered the number one pick, wiggins, an Rubio an even then I still think it wouldn't be enough

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ace625214 · Post #5 » by **ace625214** » Fri Jan 9, 2015 11:41 pm

Jake0890 wrote:I'd say it's pretty unlikely PG goes ANYWHERE. Just from the standpoint that he's our only star player since Reggie retired makes it pretty hard to trade a bona fide, current superstar.

But even outside of the emotional attachment to him, I'm not sure I see a lot of value in trading him for a rookie, even if it is Jahlil Okafor. The Pacers really don't have many young players as it stands, Solomon Hill being the only player still on his rookie contract IIRC. West just signed a 3 year deal, Hill is locked in for another couple years, PG just signed a max, Hibbert may pick up his option in the off-season, and C.J. Miles has a 4 year deal with us. If anything, it seems like we'd be going after more players to push us towards a championship, not the other way around.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if you were offering the 1st pick + Lavine + Shabazz for PG or something like that, if I'm the Pacers GM, I'm declining that all day.

Thank you, that's what I was looking for. It's nice to ask a question and get a well-thought out response that answers everything rather than troll responses.

Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Jan 9, 2015 11:58 pm

ace625214 wrote:
Jake0890 wrote:I'd say it's pretty unlikely PG goes ANYWHERE. Just from the standpoint that he's our only star player since Reggie retired makes it pretty hard to trade a bona fide, current superstar.

But even outside of the emotional attachment to him, I'm not sure I see a lot of value in trading him for a rookie, even if it is Jahlil Okafor. The Pacers really don't have many young players as it stands, Solomon Hill being the only player still on his rookie contract IIRC. West just signed a 3 year deal, Hill is locked in for another couple years, PG just signed a max, Hibbert may pick up his option in the off-season, and C.J. Miles has a 4 year deal with us. If anything, it seems like we'd be going after more players to push us towards a championship, not the other way around.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if you were offering the 1st pick + Lavine + Shabazz for PG or something like that, if I'm the Pacers GM, I'm declining that all day.

Thank you, that's what I was looking for. It's nice to ask a question and get a well-thought out response that answers everything rather than troll responses.

For PG, it'd take Wiggins and a guy like Okafor to start talks. For Hibbert too? Well, you'll have to add more. For Pg, we'd want much more than you got for Love.

Post #7 » by **boomershadow** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:23 pm

PG is a star now. Wiggins might become one. Which would you take?

ace625214 · Post #8 » by **ace625214** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:29 pm

boomershadow wrote:PG is a star now. Wiggins might become one. Which would you take?

I don't see how that's relevant to the question at all. I asked how close to PG's value the 1st pick+others was, not if PG could be traded straight-up for Wiggins.

winter_mute_13 · Post #9 » by **winter_mute_13** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:18 pm

Paul George is the kind of player you can only hope the #1 pick turns out to be. So I'd certainly consider Paul G >>> pick

I also don't think the broken leg affects Paul G's value. It was a freak accident, and there's nothing to suggest any long term damage.

If the Pacers have to rebuild, say if West and Hibbert opt out and sign elsewhere, Paul is young enough and locked into a long enough contract that keeping him around for the rebuild is feasible.

So, sorry, don't really see a scenario where Pacers would trade Paul G.

mikepacernation · Post #10 » by **mikepacernation** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:57 pm

winter_mute_13 wrote:Paul George is the kind of player you can only hope the #1 pick turns out to be. So I'd certainly consider Paul G >>> pick

I also don't think the broken leg affects Paul G's value. It was a freak accident, and there's nothing to suggest any long term damage.

If the Pacers have to rebuild, say if West and Hibbert opt out and sign elsewhere, Paul is young enough and locked into a long enough contract that keeping him around for the rebuild is feasible.

So, sorry, don't really see a scenario where Pacers would trade Paul G.

correct me if I'm wrong but cant PG opt out of his last year of his contract? If so that gives the pacers what like 2-3 years to rebuild? When it normally takes that long to really develop players. Then at that point he might be tired of going through rebuilds an leaves the pacers.

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winter_mute_13 · Post #11 » by **winter_mute_13** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:24 pm

mikepacernation wrote:correct me if I'm wrong but cant PG opt out of his last year of his contract? If so that gives the pacers what like 2-3 years to rebuild? When it normally takes that long to really develop players. Then at that point he might be tired of going through rebuilds an leaves the pacers.

He's locked in for at least 3 more seasons after this one, with the 4th one being an opt out.

If we can't rebuild in that time frame, we can always trade George after 2 years, for example. Why rush in trading away our best asset?

Post #12 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:22 pm

mikepacernation wrote:
winter_mute_13 wrote:Paul George is the kind of player you can only hope the #1 pick turns out to be. So I'd certainly consider Paul G >>> pick

I also don't think the broken leg affects Paul G's value. It was a freak accident, and there's nothing to suggest any long term damage.

If the Pacers have to rebuild, say if West and Hibbert opt out and sign elsewhere, Paul is young enough and locked into a long enough contract that keeping him around for the rebuild is feasible.

So, sorry, don't really see a scenario where Pacers would trade Paul G.
correct me if I'm wrong but cant PG opt out of his last year of his contract? If so that gives the pacers what like 2-3 years to rebuild? When it normally takes that long to really develop players. Then at that point he might be tired of going through rebuilds an leaves the pacers.

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As WM_13 says above, that opt out is 3 years after this season. Don't make impulse moves now because you're afraid the guy may walk in 3 years. If so, you can move him in 2 years.

Otherwise, Wiggins and a #1 pick, minimum, for PG13. Want Hibbert or West, too? We'd still charge you full price. No group discounts.

mikepacernation · Post #13 » by **mikepacernation** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:24 pm

winter_mute_13 wrote:
mikepacernation wrote:correct me if I'm wrong but cant PG opt out of his last year of his contract? If so that gives the pacers what like 2-3 years to rebuild? When it normally takes that long to really develop players. Then at that point he might be tired of going through rebuilds an leaves the pacers.

He's locked in for at least 3 more seasons after this one, with the 4th one being an opt out.

If we can't rebuild in that time frame, we can always trade George after 2 years, for example. Why rush in trading away our best asset?

if they were to try to rebuild I would want it around PG. What would be ultimately the best idea is to have PG try to attract another solid player to indy an build around those two

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Post #14 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:26 pm

mikepacernation wrote:
winter_mute_13 wrote:
mikepacernation wrote:correct me if I'm wrong but cant PG opt out of his last year of his contract? If so that gives the pacers what like 2-3 years to rebuild? When it normally takes that long to really develop players. Then at that point he might be tired of going through rebuilds an leaves the pacers.

He's locked in for at least 3 more seasons after this one, with the 4th one being an opt out.

If we can't rebuild in that time frame, we can always trade George after 2 years, for example. Why rush in trading away our best asset?
if they were to try to rebuild I would want it around PG. What would be ultimately the best idea is to have PG try to attract another solid player to indy an build around those two

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Yup. We just have never had a prime young MVP kind of guy like Paul George that people want to play with.

basketballwacko2 · Post #15 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:00 am

I can't see trading PG while he's hurt but for the sake of discussion, Wiggins, Rubio and a swap of #1 picks in 2015.