Pacers front office ie Bird-Walsh

[Scoot McGroot]

So we can add the JO trade as a win (got two rotation players and a pick) and the Rush/Bayless trade was a wash as far as the pick, but we got Jack in that deal too, so a slight win.

I agree on both. The Portland deal got us McRoberts/Jack (we moved Ike Diogu out in that, too...right?) and Bayless was kind of a washout in Portland as well. He's become a useful bench vet, but in a nomad kind of sense. Similar to Rush. I'd call them a wash.

[Wizop]

and a whole bunch of tickets that would have gone unsold had we not been in the hunt for a playoff spot.

[pacers33granger]

So we can add the JO trade as a win (got two rotation players and a pick) and the Rush/Bayless trade was a wash as far as the pick, but we got Jack in that deal too, so a slight win.

I agree on both. The Portland deal got us McRoberts/Jack (we moved Ike Diogu out in that, too...right?) and Bayless was kind of a washout in Portland as well. He's become a useful bench vet, but in a nomad kind of sense. Similar to Rush. I'd call them a wash.

Yup Diogu went to Portland iirc.

Overall, the only trade the FO has been involved in in recent history that we got completely hosed in was the Dun/Murph deals, but there were obviously circumstances that led to us losing value in the deal. Looking at some deals retroactively we lost out (Scola, Hill), but they made sense at the time. And that's been the worst area of management (trades) for this FO, so that's not bad at all.

[pacers33granger]

And another thing that Bird brings to our FO is the respect he gets as an NBA great. I'm sure it has helped us nab some free agents (guys like Stuckey and Miles) on nice deals because they're guys getting an offer from Larry Bird and being told he thinks they'll be great for us.

[Scoot McGroot]

And another thing that Bird brings to our FO is the respect he gets as an NBA great. I'm sure it has helped us nab some free agents (guys like Stuckey and Miles) on nice deals because they're guys getting an offer from Larry Bird and being told he thinks they'll be great for us.

Maybe. But he gets basketball, and he also gets finances. That's gotta be the biggest thing for a small market like us.

[basketballwacko2]

Here is Three for you. Scott Haskins. George McCloud. Fred Jones. If you want me to keep going i can. Anyone can have a winning record in the east.

Going back a long way aren't you. I'd talk about Hansbrough instead of Teague or Shawne Williams instead of Rondo. But Danny Granger was a pretty good pick and Paul George. Clearly trading Al Harrington for Steven Jackson then resigning Al a couple years later then being forced to trade them both for Dunleavy and Murphy was a bad chain of events. Although the Murphyleavy combo was not all that bad in reality. More recently the trade of a #1 pick Green and Plumlee for Scola now looks like an over pay.

[basketballwacko2]

Pacers will never win a championship as long as Bird or Walsh are making the decisions. This is the year the Pacers could get a special player out of the draft. Dont be shocked when they trade down and get another Scrub with good players still there at eleven. or select another bust in Frank the tank.

Where is the minus one button?

[basketballwacko2]

Yes i think Hibbert is a bust. From what i am reading you believe he is worth 15 million a year. Bird and Walsh both are lucky to have fans like you.

So after 7 seasons as one of the top defensive centers in the NBA drafted at the #17 spot you are here to declare him a bust? What took you so long skippy. Maybe you should consider becoming a TWolves fan if you want to see some botched draft picks.

[basketballwacko2]

Birds lucky he's in Indy.

Again I'm gonna pencil you in a minus one. Have the Celtics drafted so much better? Right now they have a butt load of low level draft assets their own picks in the next few years are the only ones likely to be Lotto picks unless they consolidate some of them. They made a great trade by dumping Pierce and Garnett on the Nets for a bunch of picks. But talk about draft flops what about Fab Melo? Kelly Olynyk isn't looking like an Allstar now is he? Lucas Nogueira? Marshon Brooks? J. R. Giddens? Ring any bells? You know what they say about hindsight?

[basketballwacko2]

Bird's drafting has been better than his trading imo. But overall would you prefer Sam Hinkie, Pete D'Alessandro, or Billy King?

Yeah look at Hinkie picking Embiid, now he's looking at missing his 2nd season due to injury.

[basketballwacko2]

Bird is a solid GM, the problem is that Indy can't draw FA's and need to hit a grand slam on their picks and trades.
Also Pacers should have tanked this year, not tanking will hurt Indy in the longterm(that was their only shot to get high upside talent to play with Paul George, since they lack assets), and will cement that PG will leave Indy either via trade or FA.

Don't you just love conventional wisdom!

[basketballwacko2]

Brandon Rush - bust, end of the lotto pick though and part of a 2 for 1 pick trade
Roy Hibbert - excellent value at 17, second part of that trade


So for the draft in the past decade you've got two bad picks (Williams, Hansbrough) and another miss that didn't hurt us because we moved down (traded Bayless) for Rush but got Hibbert too.
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We dealt Jerryd Bayless for Rush/McRoberts. We got Hibbert along with TJ Ford and Rasho Nesterovic for JO and Nathan Jawai.

You're right, total miss on my part there. Was going through the transaction history on RealGM quickly and spaced on that.

So we can add the JO trade as a win (got two rotation players and a pick) and the Rush/Bayless trade was a wash as far as the pick, but we got Jack in that deal too, so a slight win.

Well also that JO trade was the best we could do since JO was shadow of the Allstar he'd been. For the record I hated TJ Ford wanted him gone after 10 games but no one would take him. But you guys forget we got Baston in that trade too!!

[basketballwacko2]

And another thing that Bird brings to our FO is the respect he gets as an NBA great. I'm sure it has helped us nab some free agents (guys like Stuckey and Miles) on nice deals because they're guys getting an offer from Larry Bird and being told he thinks they'll be great for us.

Maybe. But he gets basketball, and he also gets finances. That's gotta be the biggest thing for a small market like us.

Imagine if we'd kept Isiah Thomas all this time?