Game 39: Indiana Pacers (20-18) @ Denver Nuggets (14-23) - 3:00 PM ET

[ducler]

[Pacersike]

Never thought it could be possible for the Pacers to erase all the good things from previous games, but they managed to do it.

At least London and Europe now know what an NBA 2k star player looks like.

Games like these are the best indications that PG will likely always fail to lead his team to any finals.

I say trade him before all GMs get the memo. This has nothing to do with quality and everything with mentality. What a shameful performance.

[chube]

Haven't watched the game obviously but looking for a silver lining...still above .500?


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[Grang33r]

This was the worst game i have seen them play in a very long time. Even post brawl, they had an excuse of lack of talent on the court but guys like David Harrison atleast showed up each game. This was bad. No effort on defense whatsoever.

[Pacers_Freak]

Never thought it could be possible for the Pacers to erase all the good things from previous games, but they managed to do it.

At least London and Europe now know what an NBA 2k star player looks like.

Games like these are the best indications that PG will likely always fail to lead his team to any finals.

I say trade him before all GMs get the memo. This has nothing to do with quality and everything with mentality. What a shameful performance.

The trade PG stuff is over played and old. There is no way you get fair market value in a return. Just impossible to get. Silly to insinuate that you could.

[Pacersike]

Never thought it could be possible for the Pacers to erase all the good things from previous games, but they managed to do it.

At least London and Europe now know what an NBA 2k star player looks like.

Games like these are the best indications that PG will likely always fail to lead his team to any finals.

I say trade him before all GMs get the memo. This has nothing to do with quality and everything with mentality. What a shameful performance.

The trade PG stuff is over played and old. There is no way you get fair market value in a return. Just impossible to get. Silly to insinuate that you could.

You and me, no we can not. A GM with a better nose for true basketball talent, why not?

Bigger chance you screw up I admit that, but watching him sign a contract for the Lakers, might turn out to be an even bigger mistake. Remember our last big signings were players like Jefferson, Ellis, Stuckey. And that was with the great PG on the team.

If Myles Turner will ever be good enough to lure good free agents on his own, he will also be good enough to build a team around with players you can get for PG.

Depending on what happens in the playoffs, trading PG is an option they have to consider. Myles Turner has that competitive edge that players like Reggie and D West also showcased, but in order to get a new King, one must kill the old King first. Or trade him to Braavos, where the wealth is.

[Pacers_Freak]

Never thought it could be possible for the Pacers to erase all the good things from previous games, but they managed to do it.

At least London and Europe now know what an NBA 2k star player looks like.

Games like these are the best indications that PG will likely always fail to lead his team to any finals.

I say trade him before all GMs get the memo. This has nothing to do with quality and everything with mentality. What a shameful performance.

The trade PG stuff is over played and old. There is no way you get fair market value in a return. Just impossible to get. Silly to insinuate that you could.

You and me, no we can not. A GM with a better nose for true basketball talent, why not?

Bigger chance you screw up I admit that, but watching him sign a contract for the Lakers, might turn out to be an even bigger mistake. Remember our last big signings were players like Jefferson, Ellis, Stuckey. And that was with the great PG on the team.

If Myles Turner will ever be good enough to lure good free agents on his own, he will also be good enough to build a team around with players you can get for PG.

Depending on what happens in the playoffs, trading PG is an option they have to consider. Myles Turner has that competitive edge that players like Reggie and D West also showcased, but in order to get a new King, one must kill the old King first. Or trade him to Braavos, where the wealth is.

You just made the point of why you would never trade PG. We are not going to be a big free agent destination so you hang on to the home grown talent. It is a gamble that he leaves on his own. However, financially it makes sense to stay. Unless he says I'm not coming back.... you keep him. No ands, ifs, or buts.

[Pacersike]

You just made the point of why you would never trade PG. We are not going to be a big free agent destination so you hang on to the home grown talent. It is a gamble that he leaves on his own. However, financially it makes sense to stay. Unless he says I'm not coming back.... you keep him. No ands, ifs, or buts.

All I'm saying is that if Paul would leave and the Pacers have to start over again by drafting in the lottery again in 2019, for a part they would be wasting some of the good years of Myles Turner. A bit similar how they have not went all-in to give PG a contending team. Myles Turner after all, just isn't ready to contend with the big guys. That wouldn't have been such an issue if Larry Bird had done a better job signing players who can help a team contending.

Some of us want to trade Myles to help Paul George right now, others want to be laughed at when they offer some of our other players in a vain attempt to get out of this mess. I see this mess as a swamp where we can't get out and I prefer to move on and trade PG for some very good youngsters who are about the same age as Myles Turner. Call it impossible as much as you want, but this year's playoffs for a big part will guide GMs, players and us into a certain direction and I just expect an early exit.

Ever since David West has left the team, this team lacks a leader that can motivate others to give effort almost every single night.
Paul is trying to be one, but I have yet to see improvement that stays.

If a player like Kevin Durant could leave a team like the Thunder, why wouldn't it be possible that Paul leaves? And I don't know about you, but I'm not impressed by Russell Westbrook his stats. I'm actually concerned that he has to do so much right now and I feel like it takes even less as usual to get him annoyed. For the sake of the Thunder, I hope they can add another star player soon, because not a single one of us humans wants to find himself in a worse situation than before, no matter how many triple double he can gather.

I also know that I was one of the few on this board that predicted Durant would leave the Thunder, although I predicted for New York Right now I predict that the Pacers won't advance 2 rounds and that Paul George, just like Durant, will realize that he could use some better help to contend again, perhaps even a better player, to play as his Robin next to Batman. Thing is, on the same team, it rarely happens that a player as good as PG would take a backseat to give another player the crown.

Bottomline is, I just don't feel like PG is good enough to contend with him as our first option. Sure, his stats look great, but he hasn't been able to get consistent production out of his teammates, let alone making them better. His assist/turnover ratio is among the league's worst of qualified players (82 out of 85). And thanks to London, he can add another one to his list of moments when he looked a bit lost when the spotlight was mostly on him. He is a great player to have on team USA or in the Allstar game or even in regular season clutch games. Whenever the pressure on his shoulders rises though, he starts to struggle (all star 3 point shooting contest, London, last year playoffs game 7 at Toronto, 7! turnovers, 1 assist. It might come with time, but when your GM has his own flaws and can hardly be called a top 5 GM, one of them, GM or player, might pull the plug out of it. A contract extension will only make PG's trade value go up, so both parties can still cancel the marriage.

Big chance our GM takes another chance at improving the team though. That's just what happens most of the time.
Doesn't make the Thunder situation any less explosive though. Which player is going to sign there when even Durant thought they were not good enough? They can trade Westbrook if they have to and push reset, but the Pacers have Turner and will do him no justice if they have to start adding draft pieces in 2019 to play with him in 2020, when he will be much more ready to contend.

But I don't mind to be wrong again and playoffs could turn out better than I expect, so I better sush now

[Pacers_Freak]

You just made the point of why you would never trade PG. We are not going to be a big free agent destination so you hang on to the home grown talent. It is a gamble that he leaves on his own. However, financially it makes sense to stay. Unless he says I'm not coming back.... you keep him. No ands, ifs, or buts.

All I'm saying is that if Paul would leave and the Pacers have to start over again by drafting in the lottery again in 2019, for a part they would be wasting some of the good years of Myles Turner. A bit similar how they have not went all-in to give PG a contending team. Myles Turner after all, just isn't ready to contend with the big guys. That wouldn't have been such an issue if Larry Bird had done a better job signing players who can help a team contending.

Some of us want to trade Myles to help Paul George right now, others want to be laughed at when they offer some of our other players in a vain attempt to get out of this mess. I see this mess as a swamp where we can't get out and I prefer to move on and trade PG for some very good youngsters who are about the same age as Myles Turner. Call it impossible as much as you want, but this year's playoffs for a big part will guide GMs, players and us into a certain direction and I just expect an early exit.

Ever since David West has left the team, this team lacks a leader that can motivate others to give effort almost every single night.
Paul is trying to be one, but I have yet to see improvement that stays.

If a player like Kevin Durant could leave a team like the Thunder, why wouldn't it be possible that Paul leaves? And I don't know about you, but I'm not impressed by Russell Westbrook his stats. I'm actually concerned that he has to do so much right now and I feel like it takes even less as usual to get him annoyed. For the sake of the Thunder, I hope they can add another star player soon, because not a single one of us humans wants to find himself in a worse situation than before, no matter how many triple double he can gather.

I also know that I was one of the few on this board that predicted Durant would leave the Thunder, although I predicted for New York Right now I predict that the Pacers won't advance 2 rounds and that Paul George, just like Durant, will realize that he could use some better help to contend again, perhaps even a better player, to play as his Robin next to Batman. Thing is, on the same team, it rarely happens that a player as good as PG would take a backseat to give another player the crown.

Bottomline is, I just don't feel like PG is good enough to contend with him as our first option. Sure, his stats look great, but he hasn't been able to get consistent production out of his teammates, let alone making them better. His assist/turnover ratio is among the league's worst of qualified players (82 out of 85). And thanks to London, he can add another one to his list of moments when he looked a bit lost when the spotlight was mostly on him. He is a great player to have on team USA or in the Allstar game or even in regular season clutch games. Whenever the pressure on his shoulders rises though, he starts to struggle (all star 3 point shooting contest, London, last year playoffs game 7 at Toronto, 7! turnovers, 1 assist. It might come with time, but when your GM has his own flaws and can hardly be called a top 5 GM, one of them, GM or player, might pull the plug out of it. A contract extension will only make PG's trade value go up, so both parties can still cancel the marriage.

Big chance our GM takes another chance at improving the team though. That's just what happens most of the time.
Doesn't make the Thunder situation any less explosive though. Which player is going to sign there when even Durant thought they were not good enough? They can trade Westbrook if they have to and push reset, but the Pacers have Turner and will do him no justice if they have to start adding draft pieces in 2019 to play with him in 2020, when he will be much more ready to contend.

But I don't mind to be wrong again and playoffs could turn out better than I expect, so I better sush now

Sheesh