Is this becoming M Turners team?

[Clutch31]

It seems like people (not necessarily on this board, but Facebook and wherever else) think that if we trade Paul, we are getting back an equally elite player. But what recent trades for a top player in his prime have actually brought back good value? (So I'm not counting when Boston traded an aging Pierce or when a broken-down Rose got traded.)

OKC got a mediocre-at-best return for James Harden (and only recovered because they had Durant and Westbrook, Orlando hasn't made the playoffs since the 5 years (likely and counting) since trading Dwight Howard, Boston looked good trading Rondo only because a thrown-in player (Jae Crowder) wound up being the prize, Minnesota hasn't been to the playoffs since trading Kevin Garnett and Kevin Love, and the list goes on.

The only exception is when New York got fleeced by Denver for wanting the golden boy Carmelo Anthony.


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The Pau Gasol trade to the Lakers? Can't think of any other one.

[SmashMouthRod]

PG has been good but has underwhelmed for the most part thus far this season in terms of being a superstar unstoppable force. Is it time to make Myles option one to play through and allow Paul to play a more complementary role? Im beginning to concede that Paul isnt a superstar. I believe that Paul would play better if Myles was more the focal point of the offense similarly to how the 7 seconds or less Suns had Stoudemire as the focal point and everyone else killed you because of how good he was. I believe Myles can be used similarly in the pick and role/pop offense. Thoughts?

Not as long as PG is here. I have no idea what your mean "underwhelmed."

He hasnt carried a consistent load offensively. All the players in the same class as him have taken steps forward into elite superstardom this season ala Leonard, Harden, DeRozan, IT3 etc... George has seemingly been surpassed by these guys this season. This roster has enough talent to be better than one game over .500. George should average almost 30 a game and should be virtually unstoppable in the 4th quarter closing more of these games. Tracy McGrady stated on the Jump; that he probably couldve had this roster in contention and that he expected Paul to be better than he has. I agree.

[basketballwacko2]

There is more to NBA basketball than the points scored.

[SmashMouthRod]

There is more to NBA basketball than the points scored.

Of course there is. But the only thing that counts in the end is what team scored the most.

[Pacers_Freak]

PG has been good but has underwhelmed for the most part thus far this season in terms of being a superstar unstoppable force. Is it time to make Myles option one to play through and allow Paul to play a more complementary role? Im beginning to concede that Paul isnt a superstar. I believe that Paul would play better if Myles was more the focal point of the offense similarly to how the 7 seconds or less Suns had Stoudemire as the focal point and everyone else killed you because of how good he was. I believe Myles can be used similarly in the pick and role/pop offense. Thoughts?

Not as long as PG is here. I have no idea what your mean "underwhelmed."

He hasnt carried a consistent load offensively. All the players in the same class as him have taken steps forward into elite superstardom this season ala Leonard, Harden, DeRozan, IT3 etc... George has seemingly been surpassed by these guys this season. This roster has enough talent to be better than one game over .500. George should average almost 30 a game and should be virtually unstoppable in the 4th quarter closing more of these games. Tracy McGrady stated on the Jump; that he probably couldve had this roster in contention and that he expected Paul to be better than he has. I agree.

In the last 10 years only 4 players have averaged 30 ppg in a seaosn. Kobe, LeBron, DWade, KD. I know you said almost 30 a game, but still for those guys to only do it once each over the last 10 years shows the type of elite company that has the ability to do that. PG is great, but he is not that. He's averaging 22 a game and he's actually more efficient this year. He is taking less shots. He is also getting to the line less which has led to a small drop in production. Dude is never going to be a 30ppg guy. They highest in his career is 23 (last year) so I'm not sure why you thought he would be close to 30. He is a top end 25ppg guy. 30 is very elite company. I'm sure PG will be the first to tell you that up until yesterday he had been struggling the past few games, but let's try and keep our expectations realistic.

[SmashMouthRod]

Not as long as PG is here. I have no idea what your mean "underwhelmed."

He hasnt carried a consistent load offensively. All the players in the same class as him have taken steps forward into elite superstardom this season ala Leonard, Harden, DeRozan, IT3 etc... George has seemingly been surpassed by these guys this season. This roster has enough talent to be better than one game over .500. George should average almost 30 a game and should be virtually unstoppable in the 4th quarter closing more of these games. Tracy McGrady stated on the Jump; that he probably couldve had this roster in contention and that he expected Paul to be better than he has. I agree.

In the last 10 years only 4 players have averaged 30 ppg in a seaosn. Kobe, LeBron, DWade, KD. I know you said almost 30 a game, but still for those guys to only do it once each over the last 10 years shows the type of elite company that has the ability to do that. PG is great, but he is not that. He's averaging 22 a game and he's actually more efficient this year. He is taking less shots. He is also getting to the line less which has led to a small drop in production. Dude is never going to be a 30ppg guy. They highest in his career is 23 (last year) so I'm not sure why you thought he would be close to 30. He is a top end 25ppg guy. 30 is very elite company. I'm sure PG will be the first to tell you that up until yesterday he had been struggling the past few games, but let's try and keep our expectations realistic.

Do you believe that DeRozan is a better player than Paul? DeRozan is averaging 27.6 points this season. I believe that Paul is every bit as a capable.

[basketballwacko2]

All I hear here is people yapping about scoring averages!

[Pacers_Freak]

He hasnt carried a consistent load offensively. All the players in the same class as him have taken steps forward into elite superstardom this season ala Leonard, Harden, DeRozan, IT3 etc... George has seemingly been surpassed by these guys this season. This roster has enough talent to be better than one game over .500. George should average almost 30 a game and should be virtually unstoppable in the 4th quarter closing more of these games. Tracy McGrady stated on the Jump; that he probably couldve had this roster in contention and that he expected Paul to be better than he has. I agree.

In the last 10 years only 4 players have averaged 30 ppg in a seaosn. Kobe, LeBron, DWade, KD. I know you said almost 30 a game, but still for those guys to only do it once each over the last 10 years shows the type of elite company that has the ability to do that. PG is great, but he is not that. He's averaging 22 a game and he's actually more efficient this year. He is taking less shots. He is also getting to the line less which has led to a small drop in production. Dude is never going to be a 30ppg guy. They highest in his career is 23 (last year) so I'm not sure why you thought he would be close to 30. He is a top end 25ppg guy. 30 is very elite company. I'm sure PG will be the first to tell you that up until yesterday he had been struggling the past few games, but let's try and keep our expectations realistic.

Do you believe that DeRozan is a better player than Paul? DeRozan is averaging 27.6 points this season. I believe that Paul is every bit as a capable.

He is averaging that on 21 shots a game. PG is actually playing more efficiently.

[Pacers_Freak]

All I hear here is people yapping about scoring averages!

I agree it is over rated. I was just countering the point that PG should be averaging 30 a game when that has only happened 4 times in the past 10 years.

[SmashMouthRod]

All I hear here is people yapping about scoring averages!

its a sign of who can be depended upon whenever a team needs a bucket. And there have been plenty of times when the team needs a go to guy to deliver this season. Indy has lost plenty of games this season in the fourth quarter. DeRozan, IT3, Leonard, Harden, Westbrook have all been delivering the goods. Paul is on their level but hasnt delivered like they have this season consistently.

[Pacers_Freak]

All I hear here is people yapping about scoring averages!

its a sign of who can be depended upon whenever a team needs a bucket. And there have been plenty of times when the team needs a go to guy to deliver this season. Indy has lost plenty of games this season in the fourth quarter. DeRozan, IT3, Leonard, Harden, Westbrook have all been delivering the goods. Paul is on their level but hasnt delivered like they have this season consistently.

The NBA actually tracks this. Google NBA clutch stats. PG is tied for 7th for points in clutch time in the NBA.

[basketballwacko2]

I think we need to start thinking about the "Post PG" era for the Pacers. I don't want to trade him but if we're gonna move him it should be done this summer at or about the draft. I was thinking Boston, but IDK if Ainge will let go of enough to make it worthwhile. I bounced an idea off a couple of Thunder fans, PG and Monta for Kanter and Oladipo plus 2 #1 picks. I don't know what picks they can trade because I know they already owe 1 or 2 picks from deals they've done in the past. So maybe this years pic after the draft and a 2021 or 2022 #1 pick.

The question is can we play Turner and Kanter at the same time?