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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#41 » by pacers33granger » Wed May 10, 2017 2:09 pm

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Honestly wasn't it worth the risk to keep LMA? Add him to the core of your team and you have a helluva squad. Isn't that gamble worth more than the pennies on the dollar you would have gotten back in an LMA trade? I know obviously now those pennies look good. But considering the 2 options I still don't blame the Blazers one bit for trying to keep their guy.


Exactly, I'll take the chance of PG sticking around, even if it is low over most of the offers we see on the trade board. Boston fans don't want to give up Brown or Brooklyn picks, LA fans don't want to give up anything, etc.

The Portland trades, as an example not trying to pick on Portland here at all, tend to be a bunch of bit pieces (i.e. Aminu, Davis, mid to late firsts). Would their 3 firsts be really nice to have this draft? Of course, but I'd still take a 10% chance we keep PG over them.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#42 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed May 10, 2017 4:36 pm

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Pacers_Freak wrote:
Honestly wasn't it worth the risk to keep LMA? Add him to the core of your team and you have a helluva squad. Isn't that gamble worth more than the pennies on the dollar you would have gotten back in an LMA trade? I know obviously now those pennies look good. But considering the 2 options I still don't blame the Blazers one bit for trying to keep their guy.


Exactly, I'll take the chance of PG sticking around, even if it is low over most of the offers we see on the trade board. Boston fans don't want to give up Brown or Brooklyn picks, LA fans don't want to give up anything, etc.

The Portland trades, as an example not trying to pick on Portland here at all, tend to be a bunch of bit pieces (i.e. Aminu, Davis, mid to late firsts). Would their 3 firsts be really nice to have this draft? Of course, but I'd still take a 10% chance we keep PG over them.


If Portland wants PG this summer they are gonna have to overpay or at least seem to over pay. I'd have to get CJ, Aminu and the 3 picks. IDK if that is enough considering the picks are late.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#43 » by Jermainevent » Wed May 10, 2017 5:36 pm

Toss in Vonleh as well, couple more years left on his rookie deal. Plus, we've done well with young athletic, bigs from Portland.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#44 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 10, 2017 6:27 pm

Pacers_Freak wrote:Honestly wasn't it worth the risk to keep LMA? Add him to the core of your team and you have a helluva squad. Isn't that gamble worth more than the pennies on the dollar you would have gotten back in an LMA trade? I know obviously now those pennies look good. But considering the 2 options I still don't blame the Blazers one bit for trying to keep their guy.


Well.... The one trade that got a lot of heat back in the day and reportedly was considered heavily before the Blazers turned it down was centered around sending Aldridge to the Bulls for a 1st round pick (I believe via Memphis or Sac with high protections on it), Mirotic and a then pre-All Star level Jimmy Butler. Back then, no one expected Butler to become what he is today, so that deal at the time felt like "pennies on the dollar" when Aldridge was coming off an All Star year and the Blazers were a 50 win team. So was the gamble worth it to turn down getting something in return for a player who ultimately left?

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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#45 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 10, 2017 6:33 pm

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pacers33granger wrote:
Pacers_Freak wrote:
Honestly wasn't it worth the risk to keep LMA? Add him to the core of your team and you have a helluva squad. Isn't that gamble worth more than the pennies on the dollar you would have gotten back in an LMA trade? I know obviously now those pennies look good. But considering the 2 options I still don't blame the Blazers one bit for trying to keep their guy.


Exactly, I'll take the chance of PG sticking around, even if it is low over most of the offers we see on the trade board. Boston fans don't want to give up Brown or Brooklyn picks, LA fans don't want to give up anything, etc.

The Portland trades, as an example not trying to pick on Portland here at all, tend to be a bunch of bit pieces (i.e. Aminu, Davis, mid to late firsts). Would their 3 firsts be really nice to have this draft? Of course, but I'd still take a 10% chance we keep PG over them.


If Portland wants PG this summer they are gonna have to overpay or at least seem to over pay. I'd have to get CJ, Aminu and the 3 picks. IDK if that is enough considering the picks are late.


Let's make this crystal clear, I'm not here to get into any PG to Portland debate. If you guys want to have that, that's totally on you. My point of being here and discussing this with you guys is not to try and litigate out a trade of George to Portland. Honestly, I'm not even a huge George fan to begin with. I just find your guys situation interesting given the connections to past Blazers execs and the fact that George is mirroring pretty recent past examples of stars who've bolted and I see both fans and team management seemingly making mistakes that are pretty easily avoidable by simply taking an objective look at recent NBA history.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#46 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed May 10, 2017 6:54 pm

Well I don't think PG is getting traded, if he doesn't make the All Nba team he's be smart to seek an extension for 3 yrs 2+1 at $80 million and give himself another year or 2 to hit the All Nba team and get the Super Max. Even in 2 yrs he will only be 29 and still in his prime, if he hasn't made the All NBA by then he probably won't and if the pacers are not winning by then with him as the leader they probably won't win with him.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#47 » by Jermainevent » Wed May 10, 2017 11:42 pm

If we can't get any picks, I would kick the tires on a Phoenix trade. In fact, if we were looking at just acquiring players in the deal, they have a ton to like. Booker, Bledsoe, and Warren for PG would be a good starting point.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#48 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu May 11, 2017 9:43 pm

Phoenix also has high pick. I don't care much for Bledsoe it seems to me he gets hurt a lot. I don't think they would trade Booker, warren and Bender maybe. I'm sure they'd like to get rid of Bledseo and Knight.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#49 » by LukasBMW » Thu May 11, 2017 10:10 pm

We'd give up our pick if it falls in the #3-#5 range + Knight and Len for PG, but even that is a big risk if he walks.

If we pick 1 or 2, we're keeping it.

I think we'd much rather trade for Myles Turner then PG at this point and help you guys win now.

Assets that could either directly come to you or be shuffled to a 3rd team in exchange for an established player include our pick this year, 2018 Miami pick (top 7 protected), 2021 Miami pick (unprotected), Bledsoe, Chandler, Len, Knight.

Helping you reload around PG with Bledsoe, Chandler, and Brook Lopez or Melo could be an option with our assets.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#50 » by Pacers_Freak » Fri May 12, 2017 3:04 pm

LukasBMW wrote:We'd give up our pick if it falls in the #3-#5 range + Knight and Len for PG, but even that is a big risk if he walks.

If we pick 1 or 2, we're keeping it.

I think we'd much rather trad for Myles Turner then PG at this point and help you guys win now.

Assets that could either directly come to you or be shuffled to a 3rd team in exchange for an established player include our pick this year, 2018 Miami pick (top 7 protected), 2021 Miami pick (unprotected), Bledsoe, Chandler, Len, Knight.

Helping you reload around PG with Bledsoe, Chandler, and Brook Lopez or Melo could be an option with our assets.


Let's do it.
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#51 » by LukasBMW » Fri May 12, 2017 3:10 pm

Pacers_Freak wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:We'd give up our pick if it falls in the #3-#5 range + Knight and Len for PG, but even that is a big risk if he walks.

If we pick 1 or 2, we're keeping it.

I think we'd much rather trad for Myles Turner then PG at this point and help you guys win now.

Assets that could either directly come to you or be shuffled to a 3rd team in exchange for an established player include our pick this year, 2018 Miami pick (top 7 protected), 2021 Miami pick (unprotected), Bledsoe, Chandler, Len, Knight.

Helping you reload around PG with Bledsoe, Chandler, and Brook Lopez or Melo could be an option with our assets.


Let's do it.


Do what?

Trade Myles Turner or trade PG?

Either way I'd like to help you guys out. I hate Washington and I hate Cleveland. :wink:
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Re: TEAR IT DOWN! 

Post#52 » by Pacers_Freak » Fri May 12, 2017 3:25 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
Pacers_Freak wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:We'd give up our pick if it falls in the #3-#5 range + Knight and Len for PG, but even that is a big risk if he walks.

If we pick 1 or 2, we're keeping it.

I think we'd much rather trad for Myles Turner then PG at this point and help you guys win now.

Assets that could either directly come to you or be shuffled to a 3rd team in exchange for an established player include our pick this year, 2018 Miami pick (top 7 protected), 2021 Miami pick (unprotected), Bledsoe, Chandler, Len, Knight.

Helping you reload around PG with Bledsoe, Chandler, and Brook Lopez or Melo could be an option with our assets.


Let's do it.


Do what?

Trade Myles Turner or trade PG?

Either way I'd like to help you guys out. I hate Washington and I hate Cleveland. :wink:


Myles. Those are some nice pieces that could surround PG with some talent.

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