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Re: Official NBA trade deadline rumors/speculation thread 

Post#141 » by Topofthekey » Fri Feb 9, 2018 3:41 pm

I'm actually ok with the Pacers not making any deals at the deadline, since there's always draft night and the offseason. If no trades get done on the draft night or the offseason, I'd like to see them at least throw some money at mid-tier FAs, such as Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Zach Lavine, and the like.

Basically, if the Pacers were to start the next season with more or less the same roster without any noticeable upgrades, that's when I'd start questioning their decision a bit. Pacers could really use an upgrade, and have some assets to make it happen, but they are not under pressure to do it immediately at the trade deadline
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Re: Official NBA trade deadline rumors/speculation thread 

Post#142 » by Wizop » Fri Feb 9, 2018 3:56 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Basically, if the Pacers were to start the next season with more or less the same roster without any noticeable upgrades, that's when I'd start questioning their decision a bit. Pacers could really use an upgrade, and have some assets to make it happen, but they are not under pressure to do it immediately at the trade deadline


What would you upgrade? I'd upgrade backup 3 today, but we haven't seen GR3 yet this season and he could be the answer there or he could play his way out of town. next summer we have several players who aren't locked in and if they don't come back there'd be holes to fill, but what do you see as the problem positions if all of our rotation players return at reasonable prices?
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Post#143 » by Topofthekey » Fri Feb 9, 2018 4:25 pm

To add on to my previous post, the only trade that I felt the Pacers might have missed out on, is trading either DC or CoJo to the Nuggets to accumulate assets, since Nuggets reportedly were interested in them. I'd have been quite happy if Pacers managed to trade either one of them for a 1st and/or some young pieces that Nuggets wanted to jettison, such as Mudiay.

CoJo's likely to opt out in search of a long term deal, and DC isn't exactly part of Pacers' future plans, so trading one (or even both) of them for assets when the chance presented itself seemed like a good idea
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Re: Official NBA trade deadline rumors/speculation thread 

Post#144 » by granger05 » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:18 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:One thing we will have to figure out going into summer is what are the buyout dates on Jefferson, Collison and Bogie? There will be teams looking to clear salary so they can sign their guy. We could trade one of those guys or all 3 and bring in assets, the acquiring team could then cut them and pay them their small guarantees.

One thing that I believe was a factor is the Pacers didn't want to move Al Jefferson because he's got a good relationship with Turner. I'm betting Al retires after the year and becomes and assistant coach.


Yeah, I asked this a couple days back. Realgm is giving me issues with searching my own posts, but I found these on the 8points9seconds salary series. Collison and Bojan both have deadlines in late june/early july. One of them is like June 29th and the other is July 3rd or something. Both are after the draft. I don't recall who was who, but one has a 2 mil guarantee and the other 1.5.

Jeffersons's date is next January so plenty of time on him and his guarantee is a full 4 million so he's got less savings.

I've said it before, but going back to the Stuckey contract as well I'm honestly curious who the contract guy (gal?) is for the Pacers. I think whoever it is doesn't get enough credit for creating interesting options.
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Post#145 » by Topofthekey » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:22 pm

Wizop wrote:What would you upgrade? I'd upgrade backup 3 today, but we haven't seen GR3 yet this season and he could be the answer there or he could play his way out of town. next summer we have several players who aren't locked in and if they don't come back there'd be holes to fill, but what do you see as the problem positions if all of our rotation players return at reasonable prices?

Hmm, generally speaking, I think that one of the greatest need the team has to address is finding a 2nd scoring option, a reliable 20ppg kind of guy. As good as Vic is, he can't play 48 minutes a game, and opponents can slow him down with double teams, which is what is likely to happen in the playoffs, without another proven scorer on the team, Pacers are going to struggle when Vic isn't on the floor or when his shots aren't falling. In terms of positional needs, Pacers need better rebounding from the 4 and 5, long term starter quality player at 1, and depth at 3, roughly in that order.

Domas, Myles, and Thad (assuming he returns as you said) are going to soak up most of the minutes at 4 and 5, so I'm not sure whether adding a 4th player at either one of those positions in order to address the problems with rebounding is going to be the answer. More likely, Domas and Myles will just need to get better at rebounding, and the team as a whole just need to do a better job of boxing out the other team to cut down on second chance points. DC and CoJo (again assuming they both return) are adequate, but if possible, I'd like to see the team find a long term starter quality player at 1, with either one of DC or CoJo being retained as backup. As for the 3 position, Bogie is a bit too inconsistent for my liking. He isn't terrible by any means, just frustratingly average at times. Can't remember which game it was, but there was one sequence where he got the ball wide open at the corner, and EVERYONE else was just basically looking at him waiting for him to shoot the ball. It was almost like taking a free throw - he had time to plant his feet, square his shoulders, take a deep breathe, and then shoot, and he still missed. That was just too frustrating to watch. GR3 is an unknown, so we'd have to wait and see. Unknowns and inconsistencies aren't good, so what I'd like for the team to do is to obtain at least 1 reliable player at the 3 position, whether as a backup or a starter
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Post#146 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:34 pm

Wizop wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:Any of the top guys bought out are just going to sign with contenders.
what playoff teams have cap space and a roster spot?

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Well, Cavs just traded 6 people away and got 4 back, so they should have roster spots available. Cap space doesn't matter as much as some of these guys will sign for vet minimum to ring chase.
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Post#147 » by Wizop » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:38 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Hmm, generally speaking, I think that one of the greatest need the team has to address is finding a 2nd scoring option, a reliable 20ppg kind of guy. In terms of positional needs, Pacers need better rebounding from the 4 and 5, long term starter quality player at 1, and depth at 3, roughly in that order.


I'd only quibble with the order. better rebounding at the 4 and 5 has to begin with Myles. if he can't get more physical, eventually we'll need a plan B.

while it is certainly possible that a free agent 1 or 3 will drop into our lap (or that someone in Fort Wayne will emerge), I'm looking to the draft to fill those holes and so I'm very comfortable with Collison and Bojan starting for another year or two as rookies get their feet under them on the second unit. KP has a history of being a wheeler-dealer on draft day, so stay tuned.

I should add that I don't think we need a ball dominate point guard as Victor, CoJo, and Lance can all initiate the offense so it is not outside the realm of possibility that the draft will give us a wing that fills the need at both 1 and 3. a 6'9" player who can rebound, pass, and defend would fill a big hole. shooting would be secondary. see draft thread
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