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Re: Game Thread 02/11: Pacers vs. Knicks 

Post#21 » by Topofthekey » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:41 am

Didn't manage to watch the game. Checked the box score, and it seems like Mudiay had a huge game.

That's one of the reason why I was really keen to see the Pacers trade DC to Nuggets for assets, such as Mudiay, because Pacers would be selling high and buying low. If Mudiay keeps this up, it'll really be an opportunity missed, especially considering that finding the PG for the future is one of this team's big needs : (
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Post#22 » by Wizop » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:48 am

Topofthekey wrote:Didn't manage to watch the game. Checked the box score, and it seems like Mudiay had a huge game.

That's one of the reason why I was really keen to see the Pacers trade DC to Nuggets for assets, such as Mudiay, because Pacers would be selling high and buying low. If Mudiay keeps this up, it'll really be an opportunity missed, especially considering that finding the PG for the future is one of this team's big needs : (
he didn't stand out all that much watching on TV. see Pritchards comments elsewhere.

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Post#23 » by Topofthekey » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:07 am

Which 6 players told KP not to make a trade?

Bogie was one. I'll guess the other 5 were DC (extremely likely), CoJo (likely), and Thad, Myles, and Vic (team captains and team leader, probably won't get anything done without their involvement)
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Re: Game Thread 02/11: Pacers vs. Knicks 

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Post#25 » by Wizop » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:17 am

Topofthekey wrote:Which 6 players told KP not to make a trade?

Bogie was one. I'll guess the other 5 were DC (extremely likely), CoJo (likely), and Thad, Myles, and Vic (team captains and team leader, probably won't get anything done without their involvement)
Lance? Al?

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Post#26 » by Topofthekey » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:35 am

Wizop wrote:Lance? Al?

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I rate them as possible, together with Domas.

Reason why they didn't make my list was because I think for the players to do something like this, the team leaders definitely has to be involved, people don't do something like that behind their leaders' backs. But then it doesn't necessarily mean they'd show up at the talk, they might just give their blessings. Still, it's within the character of this team to show up and support their teammates, hence I concluded Thad, Myles, and Vic were there, mainly to support their teammates who didn't want to be traded.

Together with Bogie, that only leaves 2 more spots. Big Al I think has been around long enough in the league that he's seasoned enough to not get affected by a trade. Lance, I think he knows that the chance of the team trading him is quite slim, but at the same time his Odyssey around the league hasn't been quite very successful, so I can see him wanting to stay here. I also thought about Domas, but a trade probably won't affect him that much plus him tagging along to show solidarity might be a bit overkill, if the 3 team leaders were already there for that purpose.

Those who can eliminated from the 6 though are Joe Young, Leaf, and pretty much the rest of the roster. Joe Young might stand to gain more playing time if anyone or even himself gets traded, so I don't see him asking KP to not make any trades. Leaf is a rookie, who hasn't made an impact, it'll be really strange and a bit out of line for him to make such a request. Same goes with rest of the roster.
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Post#27 » by Wizop » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:42 am

Topofthekey wrote:I rate them as possible, together with Domas.


I think someone who wasn't in the rumors spoke on behalf of others.

Star says Collison and Bojan were 2.

Edit: now that I've watched the whole interview on YouTube, I see that Pritchard named those 2.
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Re: Game Thread 02/11: Pacers vs. Knicks 

Post#28 » by DoubleEagle4 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:29 pm

Is anyone disappointed with Cory Joseph's play since DC has been out? I thought he would show us he deserves to be in more and it's starting to look like the opposite. In fact, I think J. Young needs more minutes. He always provides instant scoring. As he gets more comfortable, he will become a better passer as well. I just am starting to think that CJ isn't the solution for a backup pg.
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Re: Game Thread 02/11: Pacers vs. Knicks 

Post#29 » by boomershadow » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:37 pm

Pacers__Talk wrote:Is anyone disappointed with Cory Joseph's play since DC has been out? I thought he would show us he deserves to be in more and it's starting to look like the opposite. In fact, I think J. Young needs more minutes. He always provides instant scoring. As he gets more comfortable, he will become a better passer as well. I just am starting to think that CJ isn't the solution for a backup pg.


I like his defense and his hustle. His shot is just ice cold right now.
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Re: Game Thread 02/11: Pacers vs. Knicks 

Post#30 » by DoubleEagle4 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:48 pm

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Pacers__Talk wrote:Is anyone disappointed with Cory Joseph's play since DC has been out? I thought he would show us he deserves to be in more and it's starting to look like the opposite. In fact, I think J. Young needs more minutes. He always provides instant scoring. As he gets more comfortable, he will become a better passer as well. I just am starting to think that CJ isn't the solution for a backup pg.


I like his defense and his hustle. His shot is just ice cold right now.


Since starting for DC- 3ppg, 3-16 FG, 0-5 from 3, 3-6 FT. Also fouled a 3 point shooter TWICE last night. Maybe he is just trying too hard, like Myles does at times. I just expected more from him.
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Post#31 » by Wizop » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:58 pm

Pacers__Talk wrote:I just expected more from him.


last night the team was +14 when he played. no one else was close. defense doesn't always show up in the stats.

in last night's post game, they interviewed Big Al who went out of his way to mention that CoJo had been a big factor in the Boston win even though he hadn't scored a single point. his teammates know he's contributing.
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Re: Game Thread 02/11: Pacers vs. Knicks 

Post#32 » by DoubleEagle4 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:30 pm

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Pacers__Talk wrote:I just expected more from him.


last night the team was +14 when he played. no one else was close. defense doesn't always show up in the stats.

in last night's post game, they interviewed Big Al who went out of his way to mention that CoJo had been a big factor in the Boston win even though he hadn't scored a single point. his teammates know he's contributing.


I understand what you are saying. He only played 21 minutes last night, so you can look at it a couple ways: He either played really good in a short amount of time or since he played a short amount of time, he was less likely to hurt his +/-. Oladpio played twice as many minutes and was a +4. I think we can both agree that Oladipo impacted the game a lot more that CJ.

For Wednesday night's game, I'm really going to go out of my way to watch him play defense individually instead of watching them as a unit.
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Re: Game Thread 02/11: Pacers vs. Knicks 

Post#33 » by Pacers_Freak » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm

Pacers__Talk wrote:
Wizop wrote:
Pacers__Talk wrote:I just expected more from him.


last night the team was +14 when he played. no one else was close. defense doesn't always show up in the stats.

in last night's post game, they interviewed Big Al who went out of his way to mention that CoJo had been a big factor in the Boston win even though he hadn't scored a single point. his teammates know he's contributing.


I understand what you are saying. He only played 21 minutes last night, so you can look at it a couple ways: He either played really good in a short amount of time or since he played a short amount of time, he was less likely to hurt his +/-. Oladpio played twice as many minutes and was a +4. I think we can both agree that Oladipo impacted the game a lot more that CJ.

For Wednesday night's game, I'm really going to go out of my way to watch him play defense individually instead of watching them as a unit.


Agree with your point. Plus/minus can be good, but can be deceiving. His minutes were down yesterday because he got in early foul trouble. But to Wizop's point CoJo does a lot of things that may not show up in the box score. The hustle play late against Boston to get us an extra possession that we ended up scoring on was a great play that doesn't show up in the box score. He needs to shoot the ball better than he has. But he brings a lot to the floor in defense and running the offense. He plays with a very high bball IQ.

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