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What, in your opinion, is the best approach for the Pacers moving on

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Re: What, in your opinion, is the best approach for the Pacers moving on 

Post#21 » by Vorda » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:40 am

ladovina wrote:What about Mario Hezonja? Prolly cheap, still alot of potential and fits the timeline?

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Many teams will try to sign Mario... he will not be that cheap... he would be great signing for Pacers... he is good scorer, can play defense, can rebound, can play SG, SF and PF... we should try everything to sign him...
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Post#22 » by Jake0890 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:45 pm

I think you're overstating it a little there... Hezonja is clearly improving and this is the best season of his career, but that said, the best season of his career is 8.5 PPG, 1.1 APG, 3.3 RPG, and a PER of 13.95. He's going to have suitors based on his sudden growth, but we should not "try everything" to sign him, he's not that good.

He'll probably end up getting someone's entire MLE.
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Post#23 » by Tom White » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:59 pm

Jake0890 wrote:I think you're overstating it a little there... Hezonja is clearly improving and this is the best season of his career, but that said, the best season of his career is 8.5 PPG, 1.1 APG, 3.3 RPG, and a PER of 13.95. He's going to have suitors based on his sudden growth, but we should not "try everything" to sign him, he's not that good.

He'll probably end up getting someone's entire MLE.


I agree with you.

It seems he may be another case of a player who (in some people's opinions) must be better than some of our guys simply because he plays for another team. The grass is always greener, so to speak. It surprises me how often guys like DC, CoJo, Thad, Bojan, Joe and others are under-appreciated while players who make lesser contributions to their teams are "must have" guys.
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Post#24 » by Wizop » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:39 pm

at the risk of being rude, I believe Vorda consistently overvalues players he's seen play in Europe. perhaps, I overvalue Pacers. we all cheer for our home town heroes and want them to do well. I don't think that makes us wrong. it just makes us fans.
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Post#25 » by MUpacersSIC » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:43 pm

Anyone think we should pick up Troy Williams (former IU player) that just got waived by Rockets? Still young, athletic, and still has potential.
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Post#26 » by Wizop » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:08 pm

MUpacersSIC wrote:Anyone think we should pick up Troy Williams (former IU player) that just got waived by Rockets? Still young, athletic, and still has potential.


we have good Lance and bad Lance why not good Troy and bad Troy? it would be an ironic twist if Lance chose to mentor Troy. we've got the cap room to just put in a waiver claim.

EDIT: Wiretap now says they've changed their mind and will release someone else.
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Post#27 » by Tom White » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:55 pm

Wizop wrote:at the risk of being rude, I believe Vorda consistently overvalues players he's seen play in Europe. perhaps, I overvalue Pacers. we all cheer for our home town heroes and want them to do well. I don't think that makes us wrong. it just makes us fans.


If it sounded like I was aiming my comment directly at Vorda, then I am sorry. It was not aimed at any one person in particular, just something I've observed over the years. Actually I had no idea he was from abroad. Doesn't make a difference, but it is always interesting to know information like that. In his case, for example, he likely would have better knowledge of foreign players who may enter the draft than I, or some others would. Good to know.

In some cases the "grass is always greener on the other side" thoughts may happen because we see our guys play 82+ times per year, so we see their good games and bad games. The warts are well known. With other players, we may only see them a few times, or only when they are playing the Pacers. If those players make a splash in those games, it is easy to over-rate them. Their downsides can be more hidden from view.
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Post#28 » by winter_mute_13 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:17 pm

Hezonja had a good game against us. In the past, that almost guarantees we'll try to sign him as a free agent :lol:

Interesting thing is, Vogel usually uses him as a smallball PF. In fact, he's starting at PF in recent games.

Midlevel (around $8m per) sounds about right for Hezonja. I wouldn't mind if we try to sign him.
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Post#29 » by Wizop » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:30 pm

Tom White wrote:In his case, for example, he likely would have better knowledge of foreign players who may enter the draft than I, or some others would.


I'm not one who assumes that everything is better in America or that race determines talent, still as hard as it is to project whether the skills of a college player will translate to the NBA, it must be harder still to evaluate foreign players. we once valued them so low that Dirk got traded for an American bust on draft night. the pendulum has swung both ways since then. but once a player makes a roster, production or the lack of it takes over. when thinking about picking up a player that didn't succeed elsewhere, you need to ask yourself why that happened and why things would be different here.
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Post#30 » by Tom White » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:15 pm

MUpacersSIC wrote:Anyone think we should pick up Troy Williams (former IU player) that just got waived by Rockets? Still young, athletic, and still has potential.


Looks like the Rockets have changed their collective mind. They have reversed his waiver.
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Post#31 » by Vorda » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:57 am

Jake0890 wrote:I think you're overstating it a little there... Hezonja is clearly improving and this is the best season of his career, but that said, the best season of his career is 8.5 PPG, 1.1 APG, 3.3 RPG, and a PER of 13.95. He's going to have suitors based on his sudden growth, but we should not "try everything" to sign him, he's not that good.

He'll probably end up getting someone's entire MLE.


Mario is playing as a starter last two months... before that he played little or nothing so that season stats is not real... he is much better since he became a starter...

Ok, if you say that he isnt that good... show me better player who can play SF/PF that we can sign for that money (7-10 mill.)... dont forget that he is only 23...
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Post#32 » by Vorda » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:07 am

Wizop wrote:at the risk of being rude, I believe Vorda consistently overvalues players he's seen play in Europe. perhaps, I overvalue Pacers. we all cheer for our home town heroes and want them to do well. I don't think that makes us wrong. it just makes us fans.


I only suggested Hezonja from Europe... he showed that he can play, he is young, athletic, he can play on SG, SF and PF... and he will not be expensive... and we need all that... if you know someone better for that money plaese correct me...
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Post#33 » by Vorda » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:49 am

The last 8 games as a starter Hezonja has shot 45/90 total,20/41 from 3pters,averaging 17 ppg, 6 rpg / 29 mpg...
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Post#34 » by Wizop » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:24 pm

Vorda wrote:I only suggested Hezonja from Europe... he showed that he can play, he is young, athletic, he can play on SG, SF and PF... and he will not be expensive... and we need all that... if you know someone better for that money plaese correct me...


he could be a good fit. I don't claim to know the European players as well as you do. I watch the Pacers, IU, Butler, and the NCAA tournament which limits my focus. a backup for Bojan would be my priority although I'd give GR3 the first shot. I'm hoping the draft gives us a defensive wing but we'll certainly want to explore the summer free agents and Herzonja is on that list.
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Post#35 » by Vorda » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:42 pm

Wizop wrote:
Vorda wrote:I only suggested Hezonja from Europe... he showed that he can play, he is young, athletic, he can play on SG, SF and PF... and he will not be expensive... and we need all that... if you know someone better for that money plaese correct me...


he could be a good fit. I don't claim to know the European players as well as you do. I watch the Pacers, IU, Butler, and the NCAA tournament which limits my focus. a backup for Bojan would be my priority although I'd give GR3 the first shot. I'm hoping the draft gives us a defensive wing but we'll certainly want to explore the summer free agents and Herzonja is on that list.


Hezonja can play PF to... so he can be back up for Bojan and Thad if he will be here next season... Who knows what will happened with GRIII, what money he will asking for... I would try with Mario... we can have him for 7-8 mill., and that is not expensive for us...
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Post#36 » by Tom White » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:04 pm

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Who knows what will happened with GRIII, what money he will asking for...


He is a guy who is in an interesting situation. He appears to have all the tools to make it in this league, but has not yet made that "leap" he will need to. Add in this season, basically lost to injury, and I'm not sure what his value will be going forward. I would really like to see the kid do well, but we'll all have to wait and see.
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Re: What, in your opinion, is the best approach for the Pacers moving on 

Post#37 » by Tom White » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:51 pm

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MUpacersSIC wrote:Anyone think we should pick up Troy Williams (former IU player) that just got waived by Rockets? Still young, athletic, and still has potential.


Looks like the Rockets have changed their collective mind. They have reversed his waiver.


HA! So now the Rockets have reversed course again, and decided to waive Williams after all. The guy must feel like a Yo-Yo.

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