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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#21 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 11:40 pm

So how do we get Crowder from the Grizzlies?
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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#22 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:46 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:So how do we get Crowder from the Grizzlies?


Well, he's not exactly having a decent start to the season. But, it's not easy. McDermott's salary matches up quite well, but he has an extra year while Jae expires, and I'm sure Memphis would want to be compensated for that, so maybe a couple 2nds? Maybe we have to pay a future 1st and get back a Memphis 2nd? Otherwise, it's real hard to match up salary. Leaf/McConnell match up to work, but I don't know if Memphis would value either piece.

I don't think that Crowder is the answer.
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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#23 » by Topofthekey » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:04 am

I think the roster is quite balanced right now, actually

Once everyone is healthy that is

Warren has improved defensively - granted it's the Pistons and they were missing 4 players, but the eye test says he's improving - perhaps what happened to Bogie is happening to him; he may end up being an adequate defender by the end of the season

Goga and Leaf are raw at the 5, but it takes some bad luck for both Myles and Domas to miss significant number of games - with both of them playing, the team is more than set at the 5; and I do expect Goga to improve

Jakarr Sampson has so far provided enough energy and defense at the 4; and there's always the option of going small with Justin, Doug, or Warren

The Hornets game was kind of an aberration, with both Myles and Domas not playing AND Goga and Leaf fouling out

I think what the team really needs is one good consolidation trade, either a 2 for 1 or a 3 for 2, but those are difficult to come by
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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#24 » by 8305 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 12:05 pm

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basketballwacko2 wrote:So how do we get Crowder from the Grizzlies?


Well, he's not exactly having a decent start to the season. But, it's not easy. McDermott's salary matches up quite well, but he has an extra year while Jae expires, and I'm sure Memphis would want to be compensated for that, so maybe a couple 2nds? Maybe we have to pay a future 1st and get back a Memphis 2nd? Otherwise, it's real hard to match up salary. Leaf/McConnell match up to work, but I don't know if Memphis would value either piece.

I don't think that Crowder is the answer.


I think Crowder would be a nice get. McDermott isn’t as good a player and that’s where the value problem comes into play imo. Seems to me that for teams like Indiana and Memphis the extra year on a contract for a fairly compensated player is more valuable than an expiring. And McD is a capable off the bench shooter on a reasonable contract for what he brings. Don’t know that this is the direction Memphis would want to go but for me all things considered I could see reason for both teams to make this trade.

That said Jakar Sampson has been a revelation of sorts. He brings many of the same things we got from Thad. Looks like he can play very effectively with any of the other three bigs. I’ll be surprised if he matches defensively with the star wings of the league but few players around the league are. It will interesting to see who sits when everyone is back but, Sampson looks to at the very least to be situational role guy.
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Post#25 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Nov 9, 2019 3:09 pm

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basketballwacko2 wrote:So how do we get Crowder from the Grizzlies?


Well, he's not exactly having a decent start to the season. But, it's not easy. McDermott's salary matches up quite well, but he has an extra year while Jae expires, and I'm sure Memphis would want to be compensated for that, so maybe a couple 2nds? Maybe we have to pay a future 1st and get back a Memphis 2nd? Otherwise, it's real hard to match up salary. Leaf/McConnell match up to work, but I don't know if Memphis would value either piece.

I don't think that Crowder is the answer.


I think Crowder would be a nice get. McDermott isn’t as good a player and that’s where the value problem comes into play imo. Seems to me that for teams like Indiana and Memphis the extra year on a contract for a fairly compensated player is more valuable than an expiring. And McD is a capable off the bench shooter on a reasonable contract for what he brings. Don’t know that this is the direction Memphis would want to go but for me all things considered I could see reason for both teams to make this trade.

That said Jakar Sampson has been a revelation of sorts. He brings many of the same things we got from Thad. Looks like he can play very effectively with any of the other three bigs. I’ll be surprised if he matches defensively with the star wings of the league but few players around the league are. It will interesting to see who sits when everyone is back but, Sampson looks to at the very least to be situational role guy.



Agreed on locked in contracts having some value in places where teams aren’t traditional free agent destinations, but Memphis is in a rebuild and Dougie isn’t an answer to them. He’s be a guy they’d want to be paid for taking on and then hope to get some value out of flipping him later, as opposed to us, where we’re fine with playing him for his skills he offers off the bench. It’s just a situational difference and would require us paying some extra draft pick compensation.

But agreed that Sampson has been a really usable fit for us. He’s definitely not a long term answer, and may require a bigger or longer term contract in the offseason after being given a chance to really prove himself over a long haul this year, though. But that’s ok.

Really would like to see Alize get a chance this year and see Leaf develop to be reliable.
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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#26 » by 8305 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:02 pm

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Agreed on locked in contracts having some value in places where teams aren’t traditional free agent destinations, but Memphis is in a rebuild and Dougie isn’t an answer to them. He’s be a guy they’d want to be paid for taking on and then hope to get some value out of flipping him later, as opposed to us, where we’re fine with playing him for his skills he offers off the bench. It’s just a situational difference and would require us paying some extra draft pick compensation.

But agreed that Sampson has been a really usable fit for us. He’s definitely not a long term answer, and may require a bigger or longer term contract in the offseason after being given a chance to really prove himself over a long haul this year, though. But that’s ok.

Really would like to see Alize get a chance this year and see Leaf develop to be reliable.


Yeah, I see your point as to a potential deal with Memphis. With the play of Jakar and Warren and McDermott we seem to have an answer to the backup minutes at the 4. So right now no reason to shake that up.

As to giving Alize and Leaf an opportunity it would be nice. But, I just don’t see where one finds those minutes. Once Turner comes back the backup minutes will dwindle considerably. We will be doing well to get the necessary minutes to Sampson and Bitadze. And, until one of those two plays themselves off the floor logic dictates you roll with its them.
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Post#27 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:30 pm

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Agreed on locked in contracts having some value in places where teams aren’t traditional free agent destinations, but Memphis is in a rebuild and Dougie isn’t an answer to them. He’s be a guy they’d want to be paid for taking on and then hope to get some value out of flipping him later, as opposed to us, where we’re fine with playing him for his skills he offers off the bench. It’s just a situational difference and would require us paying some extra draft pick compensation.

But agreed that Sampson has been a really usable fit for us. He’s definitely not a long term answer, and may require a bigger or longer term contract in the offseason after being given a chance to really prove himself over a long haul this year, though. But that’s ok.

Really would like to see Alize get a chance this year and see Leaf develop to be reliable.


Yeah, I see your point as to a potential deal with Memphis. With the play of Jakar and Warren and McDermott we seem to have an answer to the backup minutes at the 4. So right now no reason to shake that up.

As to giving Alize and Leaf an opportunity it would be nice. But, I just don’t see where one finds those minutes. Once Turner comes back the backup minutes will dwindle considerably. We will be doing well to get the necessary minutes to Sampson and Bitadze. And, until one of those two plays themselves off the floor logic dictates you roll with its them.


I think it could’ve been real easy these last two weeks. We had several nights where Sampson and Justin Holiday each played 32+ minutes and Dom played 39 minutes. Just 3-6 minutes from each of them gets 9-18 minutes for Leaf or Alize. I’m not asking to bench better guys completely. Just a couple minutes to get guys on court and up to speed.
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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#28 » by 8305 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:27 pm

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Agreed on locked in contracts having some value in places where teams aren’t traditional free agent destinations, but Memphis is in a rebuild and Dougie isn’t an answer to them. He’s be a guy they’d want to be paid for taking on and then hope to get some value out of flipping him later, as opposed to us, where we’re fine with playing him for his skills he offers off the bench. It’s just a situational difference and would require us paying some extra draft pick compensation.

But agreed that Sampson has been a really usable fit for us. He’s definitely not a long term answer, and may require a bigger or longer term contract in the offseason after being given a chance to really prove himself over a long haul this year, though. But that’s ok.

Really would like to see Alize get a chance this year and see Leaf develop to be reliable.


Yeah, I see your point as to a potential deal with Memphis. With the play of Jakar and Warren and McDermott we seem to have an answer to the backup minutes at the 4. So right now no reason to shake that up.

I get why that didn’t happen. Still need to win. As injured as we are now the margin for error is small. Not a good option to start out the season at 2 and 7.

As to giving Alize and Leaf an opportunity it would be nice. But, I just don’t see where one finds those minutes. Once Turner comes back the backup minutes will dwindle considerably. We will be doing well to get the necessary minutes to Sampson and Bitadze. And, until one of those two plays themselves off the floor logic dictates you roll with its them.


I think it could’ve been real easy these last two weeks. We had several nights where Sampson and Justin Holiday each played 32+ minutes and Dom played 39 minutes. Just 3-6 minutes from each of them gets 9-18 minutes for Leaf or Alize. I’m not asking to bench better guys completely. Just a couple minutes to get guys on court and up to speed.
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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#29 » by Wizop » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:57 am

Alize played a little tonight. He played 3 not 4 which explains a lot. Warren, Dougie, and JHoliday all ahead of him.

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Re: The balance things out trade 

Post#30 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:41 pm

Wizop wrote:Alize played a little tonight. He played 3 not 4 which explains a lot. Warren, Dougie, and JHoliday all ahead of him.

Sent from my phone.


Thanks. I haven't gotten a chance to watch games too much with the whole FoxSports/Dish imbroglio. Pretty close to splurging for League Pass.

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