The balance things out trade

[ezzzp]

The Magic aren't trading Isaac, and its extremely unlikely they would have traded Isaac for Turner before either.

To me, a quality versatile forward is just way more valuable than a quality center. Isaac was an above average defender on his first minute in the NBA. Right away, he had the outline of a player who could evolve into an elite defensive game changer. What was in question was the offensive end, but even as a rookie you could see a legit path to evolve into at minimum a 3-D type player. The only reason he was out of the hype machine's scope was because of health; playing only the first month of his rookie year and then had setbacks in the first 1/3 of his second season. But once healthy, his development has been fast and steady.

The reason I proposed Gordon for you guys was because I though AG would be a quality replacement and upgrade for Thaddeus Young. I felt he was a key part of how you defended quality tier teams last year. But maybe you're right and Sabonis/Turner will work vs those teams later this season...though I wouldn't use that tiny sample size as any sort of indicator that it will.

Oladipo was my favorite Magic player for many years, so you guys have been one of my regular league pass teams...hope he returns soon.

3 seasons ago, when Myles was 20 years old, he was putting up stats that Jonathan could only dream of when he was 21 years old.
Maybe you have in the back of your head that Turner hasn't improved much since (only his 3 point shot and shotblocking last season) when you say that it was extremely unlikely. Today it is unlikely the Magic would trade Isaac for Turner, but in the past not so unlikely. A proven player always gets some extra trade value compared to an unproven player, unless it's Zion or Lebron.

We agree to disagree then, also on the thing we actually do agree upon. The biggest guys on the court can impact the game in a way that smaller guys can't. Size does matter Thanks for stopping by and proposing us to get a good player. He has done worse than Turner though, since his sophomore season. I hope he can turn it around. ps extremes are never good. I value your points just as much if you would leave out extremes like extremely. Cheers.

The Magic would have never traded Isaac for Turner because they already had Vucevic. They would never have traded their most promising young player to duplicate a position. Even in a vacuum, while size matters, versatility and agility within that size matters more. Isaac is as tall as Turner, but playing a versatile forward role in the NBA which is more valuable than the C role.

I don't think that Turner has stagnated, but I do think the C role just isn't as valuable as it once was. The reason I proposed the AG trade was because I'm skeptical a team can play two C's for key stretches vs quality teams in meaningful games...so the transaction seemed like a way to counter that. But it sounds like you believe that Turner should net you a better asset than a quality 24 year old versatile forward on a very good descending contract. Cheers.

[Scoot McGroot]

The Magic aren't trading Isaac, and its extremely unlikely they would have traded Isaac for Turner before either.

To me, a quality versatile forward is just way more valuable than a quality center. Isaac was an above average defender on his first minute in the NBA. Right away, he had the outline of a player who could evolve into an elite defensive game changer. What was in question was the offensive end, but even as a rookie you could see a legit path to evolve into at minimum a 3-D type player. The only reason he was out of the hype machine's scope was because of health; playing only the first month of his rookie year and then had setbacks in the first 1/3 of his second season. But once healthy, his development has been fast and steady.

The reason I proposed Gordon for you guys was because I though AG would be a quality replacement and upgrade for Thaddeus Young. I felt he was a key part of how you defended quality tier teams last year. But maybe you're right and Sabonis/Turner will work vs those teams later this season...though I wouldn't use that tiny sample size as any sort of indicator that it will.

Oladipo was my favorite Magic player for many years, so you guys have been one of my regular league pass teams...hope he returns soon.

3 seasons ago, when Myles was 20 years old, he was putting up stats that Jonathan could only dream of when he was 21 years old.
Maybe you have in the back of your head that Turner hasn't improved much since (only his 3 point shot and shotblocking last season) when you say that it was extremely unlikely. Today it is unlikely the Magic would trade Isaac for Turner, but in the past not so unlikely. A proven player always gets some extra trade value compared to an unproven player, unless it's Zion or Lebron.

We agree to disagree then, also on the thing we actually do agree upon. The biggest guys on the court can impact the game in a way that smaller guys can't. Size does matter Thanks for stopping by and proposing us to get a good player. He has done worse than Turner though, since his sophomore season. I hope he can turn it around. ps extremes are never good. I value your points just as much if you would leave out extremes like extremely. Cheers.

The Magic would have never traded Isaac for Turner because they already had Vucevic. They would never have traded their most promising young player to duplicate a position. Even in a vacuum, while size matters, versatility and agility within that size matters more. Isaac is as tall as Turner, but playing a versatile forward role in the NBA which is more valuable than the C role.

I don't think that Turner has stagnated, but I do think the C role just isn't as valuable as it once was. The reason I proposed the AG trade was because I'm skeptical a team can play two C's for key stretches vs quality teams in meaningful games...so the transaction seemed like a way to counter that. But it sounds like you believe that Turner should net you a better asset than a quality 24 year old versatile forward on a very good descending contract. Cheers.

In all fairness, Turner is also a very very good young center on a flat contract. Gordon is interesting, but not a centerpiece. If he was, you’d never consider dealing him.

But yeah, agreed on Isaac. At the least, he’s a guy you keep through a rookie contract, FOR SURE.

[ezzzp]

In all fairness, Turner is also a very very good young center on a flat contract. Gordon is interesting, but not a centerpiece. If he was, you’d never consider dealing him.

But yeah, agreed on Isaac. At the least, he’s a guy you keep through a rookie contract, FOR SURE.

Yea I like Turner, was very high on him at the draft.

Nobody really wants to trade AG, but there are a couple of reasons Gordon is being talked about in trades.

Much like the discussions around Sabonis/Turner, there are questions about the long term fit next to Isaac. That tandem has been key to the Magic’s defense, but offensively there are concerns. Many believe both are better as 4’s. The emergence of Isaac has just made AG the most “expendable” asset to upgrade and balance out the roster.

The other reason is the very high probability that Gordon will leave Orlando in free agency. He is from California and spends every offseason there plus has deep ties and business interests in the west coast.

It just seems inevitable that the Magic will have to preemptively trade him to not lose the asset for nothing.

[Scoot McGroot]

The other reason is the very high probability that Gordon will leave Orlando in free agency. He is from California and spends every offseason there plus has deep ties and business interests in the west coast.

It just seems inevitable that the Magic will have to preemptively trade him to not lose the asset for nothing.

That's almost 3 years away. I certainly wouldn't trade him now just because of that far off fear.

[ezzzp]

The other reason is the very high probability that Gordon will leave Orlando in free agency. He is from California and spends every offseason there plus has deep ties and business interests in the west coast.

It just seems inevitable that the Magic will have to preemptively trade him to not lose the asset for nothing.

That's almost 3 years away. I certainly wouldn't trade him now just because of that far off fear.

The FO likely won’t unless it’s for a player they really covet to upgrade and balance out the roster.

His trade value will be at peak with teams knowing they get him for 1.5-2 years vs a one year rental. That window also is when his contract gets real good. So while there is no immediate rush until that peak trade window, because of the fit issue trade chatter is inevitable.

Another concern is that there have been light rumblings that the FO, coaching and he are not on the same page about how they see his role. He wants to be a LeBron type on-ball forward but everyone else knows he is better suited in an off-ball role. So it’s very possible that there’s some behind the scenes discussion from both sides to find a trade sooner rather than later.