Why are the NBA Refs so insanely terrible?

[basketballwacko2]

I'm back to the point of not watching basketball any more.

[Pacersike]

Refs are humans and make mistakes.

And even if they make mistake after mistake or want to protect the NBA superstars, don't let it spoil your fun of watching games.

Nobody is worth that much, to let them bother you. Accept it, let it go and make room for all the good things in your life.

One of the best and deepest Pacers teams ever for example. When Victor gets back healthy, we can beat every team in the playoffs.

[boomershadow]

Because the NBA is as much about basketball as the WWE is about wrestling.

Maybe not exactly, but you get the point.

[Wizop]

but the media guys all seem to think NBA refs are much better than college refs. I've never thought so. I suppose they get the calls right more consistently but they have this bias about "earning respect."

[Topofthekey]

I didn't watch the 76ers game, but I read that Domas was getting hacked and he wasn't getting the calls - is that what this is about

[Scoot McGroot]

Honestly, I’ve stopped being so upset by bad calls by placing myself mentally on the court where the refs are when they make the call. Sure, we can see it was a bad call with a strong zoom from the second deck with no obstructions from our angle, but from where the 3rd ref was, with several players in the way, and they see what they saw? Well, it makes more sense. And I can forgive that. Humans don’t have X-ray vision. They do the best with what they see when they see it.

[Pacers_Freak]

Honestly, I’ve stopped being so upset by bad calls by placing myself mentally on the court where the refs are when they make the call. Sure, we can see it was a bad call with a strong zoom from the second deck with no obstructions from our angle, but from where the 3rd ref was, with several players in the way, and they see what they saw? Well, it makes more sense. And I can forgive that. Humans don’t have X-ray vision. They do the best with what they see when they see it.

Agree. I've sat down close before. Those are a lot of large humans moving really fast, and there is a lot of contact. Tough job.

[Scoot McGroot]

Honestly, I’ve stopped being so upset by bad calls by placing myself mentally on the court where the refs are when they make the call. Sure, we can see it was a bad call with a strong zoom from the second deck with no obstructions from our angle, but from where the 3rd ref was, with several players in the way, and they see what they saw? Well, it makes more sense. And I can forgive that. Humans don’t have X-ray vision. They do the best with what they see when they see it.

Agree. I've sat down close before. Those are a lot of large humans moving really fast, and there is a lot of contact. Tough job.

Agreed. And also personal perspective changes FACTS in cases like this. What I mean is that you believe something to be absolutely 100% true based on your vision from your perspective and what you THINK you saw. And you could never imagine it wasn't true based on what you SAW!

I admit it on my own behalf. I have to accept it on others behalves.

[Wizop]

every lawyer knows that no two eye witnesses saw the same thing.

anyway, I think both basketball and football got replay wrong when they made it an appeal. you already have multiple refs who can huddle to make sure they saw the same thing before they make the call. just give the head official a tablet and let them look at it in their huddle so it is just a factor in making the call and not a matter of changing the call. you can have a booth official whose job is to tell the head ref they need to look at the tablet. no challenges just better use of technology.

[basketballwacko2]

I didn't watch the 76ers game, but I read that Domas was getting hacked and he wasn't getting the calls - is that what this is about

That is the thing that got me to post this, Embiid got a flagrant 1 that I believe should have been a Flagrant 2, it was excessively rough and showed no regard for the other players health and safety. Then later in the game he clobbered Domas again that one was a ordinary foul should have been a Flagrant 1 at the least. If the game is called consistently when ticky tack fouls are being called on both sides I'm able to live with that, or when they are letting them bang each other within reason and the calls are the same at both ends. But we see night in and night out where fouls are not called on these "Star" players and then our guys are nearly murdered and there's no call.

I've said before that Sabonis is the only player in the NBA who can get poked in the eye, head butted and kicked in the nuts and not only not get the foul but they call one on him.

I've been saying since 2014 that I think the NBA is absolutely rigged. The Draft lottery is rigged and the refs are crooked.

Remember this call from a game with the GSW and Houston KD takes 3 steps out side the lines to save a ball and then Curry hits a 3. The ref was right there he had to see that KD was out of bound. These guys like KD, LBJ, Curry, Harden are great talents and they don't need to get preferential treatment. I'm just disgusted with this BS.

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[basketballwacko2]

Honestly, I’ve stopped being so upset by bad calls by placing myself mentally on the court where the refs are when they make the call. Sure, we can see it was a bad call with a strong zoom from the second deck with no obstructions from our angle, but from where the 3rd ref was, with several players in the way, and they see what they saw? Well, it makes more sense. And I can forgive that. Humans don’t have X-ray vision. They do the best with what they see when they see it.

They all miss calls in every sport but I'm talking about inconsistency in the calls. There is indisputable bias toward the "Star" players. With replay clearly blown calls should be reversed as in the case of that game with the Warriors and Rockets KD was almost in the locker room when he tossed that ball back in, the Ref was right there, it's impossible to believe that he didn't see him with both feet taking at least 3 steps out of bounds.

I'm no longer calling NBA basketball my #1 sport. I've been watching MMA. They are about 99% right in all their calls. Once in a while you see a stoppage that seems too soon but it's done to protect the fighter from excessive damage. Maybe the guy could have recovered, but likely he's gonna be getting more damage. Recently I saw a fight between Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvidal, **Spoiler Alert** Diaz had a terrible cut above and below his right eye. Before the 4th round the Dr stopped the fight. Could Diaz have continued? Many thought he could have, he wanted to fight on. I felt like it was a bit early but Masvidal was destroying him. It can be re-litigated at another time in a future fight.

It isn't so much the calls that are missed because the game moves so fast or there is so much going on, bodies in the way, it is the inconsistent calls mostly fouls that tick me off.

[Scoot McGroot]

Honestly, I’ve stopped being so upset by bad calls by placing myself mentally on the court where the refs are when they make the call. Sure, we can see it was a bad call with a strong zoom from the second deck with no obstructions from our angle, but from where the 3rd ref was, with several players in the way, and they see what they saw? Well, it makes more sense. And I can forgive that. Humans don’t have X-ray vision. They do the best with what they see when they see it.

They all miss calls in every sport but I'm talking about inconsistency in the calls. There is indisputable bias toward the "Star" players. With replay clearly blown calls should be reversed as in the case of that game with the Warriors and Rockets KD was almost in the locker room when he tossed that ball back in, the Ref was right there, it's impossible to believe that he didn't see him with both feet taking at least 3 steps out of bounds.

I'm no longer calling NBA basketball my #1 sport. I've been watching MMA. They are about 99% right in all their calls. Once in a while you see a stoppage that seems too soon but it's done to protect the fighter from excessive damage. Maybe the guy could have recovered, but likely he's gonna be getting more damage. Recently I saw a fight between Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvidal, **Spoiler Alert** Diaz had a terrible cut above and below his right eye. Before the 4th round the Dr stopped the fight. Could Diaz have continued? Many thought he could have, he wanted to fight on. I felt like it was a bit early but Masvidal was destroying him. It can be re-litigated at another time in a future fight.

It isn't so much the calls that are missed because the game moves so fast or there is so much going on, bodies in the way, it is the inconsistent calls mostly fouls that tick me off.

Superstars in every sport get more calls. It’s the way it is. Greg Maddox got way more of the corner than lesser known guys did. Brady and Peyton gets flags on any “borderline hit”. It’s just the way “bias” works, or is at least noticed. I’m sure whomever the “superstars” are in your MMA sports boxing thing are probably get some bias from refs and management, such as overlooked drug testing and such, too.

[basketballwacko2]

Honestly, I’ve stopped being so upset by bad calls by placing myself mentally on the court where the refs are when they make the call. Sure, we can see it was a bad call with a strong zoom from the second deck with no obstructions from our angle, but from where the 3rd ref was, with several players in the way, and they see what they saw? Well, it makes more sense. And I can forgive that. Humans don’t have X-ray vision. They do the best with what they see when they see it.

They all miss calls in every sport but I'm talking about inconsistency in the calls. There is indisputable bias toward the "Star" players. With replay clearly blown calls should be reversed as in the case of that game with the Warriors and Rockets KD was almost in the locker room when he tossed that ball back in, the Ref was right there, it's impossible to believe that he didn't see him with both feet taking at least 3 steps out of bounds.

I'm no longer calling NBA basketball my #1 sport. I've been watching MMA. They are about 99% right in all their calls. Once in a while you see a stoppage that seems too soon but it's done to protect the fighter from excessive damage. Maybe the guy could have recovered, but likely he's gonna be getting more damage. Recently I saw a fight between Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvidal, **Spoiler Alert** Diaz had a terrible cut above and below his right eye. Before the 4th round the Dr stopped the fight. Could Diaz have continued? Many thought he could have, he wanted to fight on. I felt like it was a bit early but Masvidal was destroying him. It can be re-litigated at another time in a future fight.

It isn't so much the calls that are missed because the game moves so fast or there is so much going on, bodies in the way, it is the inconsistent calls mostly fouls that tick me off.

Superstars in every sport get more calls. It’s the way it is. Greg Maddox got way more of the corner than lesser known guys did. Brady and Peyton gets flags on any “borderline hit”. It’s just the way “bias” works, or is at least noticed. I’m sure whomever the “superstars” are in your MMA sports boxing thing are probably get some bias from refs and management, such as overlooked drug testing and such, too.

In the UFC the superstars have to prove the worth man on man in the Octagon there are no special calls just fists, kicks and holds best man win s 99% of the time. I've seen some decision that I thought were wrong but stars get knocked out and or submitted all the time!

[Scoot McGroot]

They all miss calls in every sport but I'm talking about inconsistency in the calls. There is indisputable bias toward the "Star" players. With replay clearly blown calls should be reversed as in the case of that game with the Warriors and Rockets KD was almost in the locker room when he tossed that ball back in, the Ref was right there, it's impossible to believe that he didn't see him with both feet taking at least 3 steps out of bounds.

I'm no longer calling NBA basketball my #1 sport. I've been watching MMA. They are about 99% right in all their calls. Once in a while you see a stoppage that seems too soon but it's done to protect the fighter from excessive damage. Maybe the guy could have recovered, but likely he's gonna be getting more damage. Recently I saw a fight between Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvidal, **Spoiler Alert** Diaz had a terrible cut above and below his right eye. Before the 4th round the Dr stopped the fight. Could Diaz have continued? Many thought he could have, he wanted to fight on. I felt like it was a bit early but Masvidal was destroying him. It can be re-litigated at another time in a future fight.

It isn't so much the calls that are missed because the game moves so fast or there is so much going on, bodies in the way, it is the inconsistent calls mostly fouls that tick me off.

Superstars in every sport get more calls. It’s the way it is. Greg Maddox got way more of the corner than lesser known guys did. Brady and Peyton gets flags on any “borderline hit”. It’s just the way “bias” works, or is at least noticed. I’m sure whomever the “superstars” are in your MMA sports boxing thing are probably get some bias from refs and management, such as overlooked drug testing and such, too.

In the UFC the superstars have to prove the worth man on man in the Octagon there are no special calls just fists, kicks and holds best man win s 99% of the time. I've seen some decision that I thought were wrong but stars get knocked out and or submitted all the time!

Except when the drugged up guys get the wins It also seems like the Dana White favorites get the calls before the matches in terms of preferential treatments, matchups, etc. it’s everywhere.

I’m definitely an MMA hater. I’m a pacifist, but also, I just don’t see an interest in the matches.

[boomershadow]

The star players and big market teams getting favorable reffing is a gigantic elephant in the NBA room. I'm not blind to it, but it also isn't stopping me from watching either. I won't be convinced it doesn't exist though. I've seen too many instances of it over the years.

As a fan of a small market team, obviously I hope things improve in that respect.

[basketballwacko2]

Superstars in every sport get more calls. It’s the way it is. Greg Maddox got way more of the corner than lesser known guys did. Brady and Peyton gets flags on any “borderline hit”. It’s just the way “bias” works, or is at least noticed. I’m sure whomever the “superstars” are in your MMA sports boxing thing are probably get some bias from refs and management, such as overlooked drug testing and such, too.

In the UFC the superstars have to prove the worth man on man in the Octagon there are no special calls just fists, kicks and holds best man win s 99% of the time. I've seen some decision that I thought were wrong but stars get knocked out and or submitted all the time!

Except when the drugged up guys get the wins It also seems like the Dana White favorites get the calls before the matches in terms of preferential treatments, matchups, etc. it’s everywhere.

I’m definitely an MMA hater. I’m a pacifist, but also, I just don’t see an interest in the matches.

It happens that guys are taking banned substances from steroids to other drugs PID's, but they are tested before and after fights. If you win a fight then it turns out you were "Juiced" up the win is voided and the fight called a "No Contest" for the losing fighter. I think the winner should also forfeit his winnings. And Juiced up fighters can get suspensions and or banned. Famous was the 2 year ban on John Jones. He's back now and current champ of the 205 lb division. If he screws up again he'll likely be gone for good.

I'm no pacifist. I trained in martial arts when I was much younger from age 13 till my late 30's but today injuries have kept me from any training other than the mind. I didn't get my injuries fighting it was stupid things like slipping on the ice in the driveway, and falling off a roof, and playing soft ball of all things. But I can still defend myself and will, using my hands which are fast as lightning even at 57. But I've also got my good friends Smith and Wesson at my side.

[Scoot McGroot]

In the UFC the superstars have to prove the worth man on man in the Octagon there are no special calls just fists, kicks and holds best man win s 99% of the time. I've seen some decision that I thought were wrong but stars get knocked out and or submitted all the time!

Except when the drugged up guys get the wins It also seems like the Dana White favorites get the calls before the matches in terms of preferential treatments, matchups, etc. it’s everywhere.

I’m definitely an MMA hater. I’m a pacifist, but also, I just don’t see an interest in the matches.

It happens that guys are taking banned substances from steroids to other drugs PID's, but they are tested before and after fights. If you win a fight then it turns out you were "Juiced" up the win is voided and the fight called a "No Contest" for the losing fighter. I think the winner should also forfeit his winnings. And Juiced up fighters can get suspensions and or banned. Famous was the 2 year ban on John Jones. He's back now and current champ of the 205 lb division. If he screws up again he'll likely be gone for good.

I'm no pacifist. I trained in martial arts when I was much younger from age 13 till my late 30's but today injuries have kept me from any training other than the mind. I didn't get my injuries fighting it was stupid things like slipping on the ice in the driveway, and falling off a roof, and playing soft ball of all things. But I can still defend myself and will, using my hands which are fast as lightning even at 57. But I've also got my good friends Smith and Wesson at my side.