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Myles Turner - What would it take to get him?

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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#21 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:24 pm

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Scoot McGroot wrote:I think it’s really Brogdon’s head/back injury thAts hurting us. He’s been playing much more upright and he looks uncomfortable when he stops and starts now, as if he’ll do it, but know that it’ll kill off the rest of his energy.


that's certainly part of it. he's not been the same since the concussion. I also think a part of it is Vic's offense. his defense seems to be back, but he's not yet figured out his offensive limitations. I thought that 3 he took at the end of the game was an example of him putting too much on his shoulders. his body hasn't caught up with his head yet.


Maybe. But, there was a lot of other junk around the team in terms of play leading up to that bad shot. Ultimately, I think we're seeing why we need a Myles WITH Dom in those moments. I really don't understand why we're playing positionally to other teams, instead of playing to our strengths. Dom has been absolutely horrid in trying to anchor the team defensively in end of game situations these past two weeks. He's trying his best to be Myles, but in trying to do everything, he's doing nothing. The lane is just being attacked left and right and quick baskets are being given up all too easily. Especially last night. Both Dom and Myles have their strengths and weaknesses. They complement each other pretty well in that. I'm not sure why we're avoiding that when it matters most. Or at the least, substituting offense/defense in end of game play between the two.
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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#22 » by Wizop » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:35 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Maybe. But, there was a lot of other junk around the team in terms of play leading up to that bad shot. Ultimately, I think we're seeing why we need a Myles WITH Dom in those moments. .... Or at the least, substituting offense/defense in end of game play between the two.


I agree with all of that. I didn't mean to blame the loss on one shot by Victor. I only meant that as an example of a play that I believe demonstrated over confidence.

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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#23 » by OptionZero » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:39 pm

Does IND have tax concerns at all going forward?

Because the conception I have is:

1) GSW takes James Johnson's $14M expiring in to the TPE from MIN
2) GSW turns around and flips James Johnson to IND for Myles Turner, including the 2021 MIN first rounder (top 3 protected then to 22)
I'd be a bit leery of using the 2020 first rounder but i'd probably do that if it came to it

IND never tanks so you'll never get a shot at the top of the lottery, but GSW can offer that and about $3M in savings this year
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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#24 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:12 am

OptionZero wrote:Does IND have tax concerns at all going forward?

Because the conception I have is:

1) GSW takes James Johnson's $14M expiring in to the TPE from MIN
2) GSW turns around and flips James Johnson to IND for Myles Turner, including the 2021 MIN first rounder (top 3 protected then to 22)
I'd be a bit leery of using the 2020 first rounder but i'd probably do that if it came to it

IND never tanks so you'll never get a shot at the top of the lottery, but GSW can offer that and about $3M in savings this year



No tax concerns whatsoever now or running ahead. Sabonis and Myles are signed affordably and we have mostly flat contracts, so Oladipo’s future deal is safe under the tax.

1) is technically illegal and would have to flip Johnson within 24 hours of acquiring him in this deal since the TPE expires right at the same time the summer moratorium ends and deals can be completed. It’s never been stopped before, but it’s rarely been tried, and hasn’t been tried in a very long time. So, be prepared for the league to stop it, and thus let the TPE to expire without being used, or being stuck with Johnson and being barred from trading with Indy or for Myles for a year (that banning has happened before)

2) the 2021 draft may be viewed as Better than this year, but Indy’s not going to tank and deal Myles for Johnson straight up and hope that pick becomes something. What if Minnesota sneaks into the playoffs? Dealing Myles for a 17th or so future 1st and having to eat Johnson to do it? No thanks. If GS is interested, their pick this year has to turn into something Indy would value immediately. If not, I don’t see Indy dealing for a future very uncertain pick: we simply never have before.
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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#25 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:13 am

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Scoot McGroot wrote:Maybe. But, there was a lot of other junk around the team in terms of play leading up to that bad shot. Ultimately, I think we're seeing why we need a Myles WITH Dom in those moments. .... Or at the least, substituting offense/defense in end of game play between the two.


I agree with all of that. I didn't mean to blame the loss on one shot by Victor. I only meant that as an example of a play that I believe demonstrated over confidence.

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Yeah, of course. Sorry if it seemed I insinuated that. Just pointing out how Dom’s defense is still something to be worried.
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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#26 » by Wizop » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:24 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:Just pointing out how Dom’s defense is still something to be worried.
And I worry about the inability to defend the arc which I think begins with double teaming too much inside. The scheme under appreciates teams' ability to get the ball to the open man.

I also agree we need to stay big more

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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#27 » by Tom White » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:45 pm

Wizop wrote:that's certainly part of it. he's not been the same since the concussion. I also think a part of it is Vic's offense. his defense seems to be back, but he's not yet figured out his offensive limitations. I thought that 3 he took at the end of the game was an example of him putting too much on his shoulders. his body hasn't caught up with his head yet.


It also could be the reverse of that, meaning his head hasn't caught up with his body. What I mean is, he is still trying to play like he did a couple years ago, trying to be too much of the focus of the offense. He needs to realize this team is different and he needs to share more.

I hate to say it, because I've been a fan of his since IU, but he is playing a bit selfishly at times and that is having an effect on his mates. That needs to go.
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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#28 » by Wizop » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:03 pm

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Wizop wrote:his body hasn't caught up with his head yet.


It also could be the reverse of that, meaning his head hasn't caught up with his body. What I mean is, he is still trying to play like he did a couple years ago, trying to be too much of the focus of the offense. He needs to realize this team is different and he needs to share more.

I hate to say it, because I've been a fan of his since IU, but he is playing a bit selfishly at times and that is having an effect on his mates. That needs to go.


we're on the same page although I wouldn't call it selfish. I'd say he hasn't learned that he can dial it back because 1) he isn't his self yet, and 2) the team is much better than it was last year.

whatever the cause, the result is he shouldn't be doing as much as he used to. is it selfishness or a misunderstand of what the team needs? I'd say the later.
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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#29 » by Topofthekey » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:48 pm

Maybe he's taking the whole mamba mentality thing a little bit too seriously
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Re: Myles Turner - What would it take to get him? 

Post#30 » by boomershadow » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:22 am

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I hate to say it, because I've been a fan of his since IU, but he is playing a bit selfishly at times and that is having an effect on his mates. That needs to go.


This was a bit of an issue last year before the injury too.
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Post#31 » by Wizop » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:50 am

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