Woj: Sabonis, Holiday, Lamb to Sacramento for Haliburton

[Topofthekey]

Honestly, I'd rather just see a clean break

Even if he proves he's healthy for a year, I still don't want to bet on him remaining healthy over a 3 or 4 year contract period after that

Some things are just not meant to be, it's best to move on

[Scoot McGroot]

Honestly, I'd rather just see a clean break

Even if he proves he's healthy for a year, I still don't want to bet on him remaining healthy over a 3 or 4 year contract period after that

Some things are just not meant to be, it's best to move on

A clean break no matter what? Even if it means we don’t have any possible SF/PF’s other than Brissett and Taylor? Just keep playing guys out of position and possibly setting back their development?

To me, it’s worth it to keep Warren even if you’re worried of him not playing. He’s such a rare player in the league right now and would provide much more impact than he costs. And having guys like Taylor and Brissett help offset that worry of him not being healthy. Also, there’s just not much else to use the cap space on than him, so why not keep him and see if he comes back healthy? If so, he’s a better player than anything you could otherwise acquire, and he’d likely have much more trade value, too. Plus, you’d still have TPE’s that would allow you to do much of what you’d do with the same cap space you’d open by letting Warren walk. You could still eat contracts for payment, since you’re far under the tax. Letting Warren walk on principle seems, to me, like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” type of move. You e waited out his massive rehab. Why not see what you can get out of it?

[Pacers Forever]

Pacers kinda stole Warren from the Suns and he played well until injury. So we don’t have any investment lost if he wants out.

Warren and the coaches are really the only people who know his immediate potential seeing him shoot and scrimmage daily.

If he plays some of the last 22 games maybe we see what they already know.

If healthy keep him on the cheap prove your worth style.

If he’s tearing it up in practice then I’m sure we’ll see the Pacers sign him long term.

I’ve always liked his game even though he’s not flashy as much as he just plays smooth. I’m hoping he’s ready to go strong next season.

[pacers33granger]

If he can stay healthy, Warren can still be a big piece to what this team currently is. Even if he's playing limited minutes, you can still nearly guarantee 12-14 points at a minimum. Lamb kinda used to be like that too, but the injury did his consistency no favors. Everyone who isn't Domas/Hali this year has been completely hit or miss. LeVert should have been that too, but he rarely got easy baskets with how he played, so his production wasn't always there.

He isn't an active voice leader or anything by all accounts. It's still pretty valuable to have a vet that just quietly produces and doesn't make issues both for stability and for instilling good habits in young guys.

[Topofthekey]

Honestly, I'd rather just see a clean break

Even if he proves he's healthy for a year, I still don't want to bet on him remaining healthy over a 3 or 4 year contract period after that

Some things are just not meant to be, it's best to move on

A clean break no matter what? Even if it means we don’t have any possible SF/PF’s other than Brissett and Taylor? Just keep playing guys out of position and possibly setting back their development?

To me, it’s worth it to keep Warren even if you’re worried of him not playing. He’s such a rare player in the league right now and would provide much more impact than he costs. And having guys like Taylor and Brissett help offset that worry of him not being healthy. Also, there’s just not much else to use the cap space on than him, so why not keep him and see if he comes back healthy? If so, he’s a better player than anything you could otherwise acquire, and he’d likely have much more trade value, too. Plus, you’d still have TPE’s that would allow you to do much of what you’d do with the same cap space you’d open by letting Warren walk. You could still eat contracts for payment, since you’re far under the tax. Letting Warren walk on principle seems, to me, like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” type of move. You e waited out his massive rehab. Why not see what you can get out of it?

It's the amount of disruption that he will cause when he misses half a season every season after we sign him to long contract

I can see us signing him to a 4 year contract, and him playing great in year 1, but missing large chunks of years 2 and 3 with injury, and then coming back for year 4

It's just too disruptive having a starter keep shuffling in and out of the lineup like that for extended periods of time

Now, if we're signing him for strictly a bench role, then I'm all for that

[Pacers Forever]

Honestly, I'd rather just see a clean break

Even if he proves he's healthy for a year, I still don't want to bet on him remaining healthy over a 3 or 4 year contract period after that

Some things are just not meant to be, it's best to move on

A clean break no matter what? Even if it means we don’t have any possible SF/PF’s other than Brissett and Taylor? Just keep playing guys out of position and possibly setting back their development?

To me, it’s worth it to keep Warren even if you’re worried of him not playing. He’s such a rare player in the league right now and would provide much more impact than he costs. And having guys like Taylor and Brissett help offset that worry of him not being healthy. Also, there’s just not much else to use the cap space on than him, so why not keep him and see if he comes back healthy? If so, he’s a better player than anything you could otherwise acquire, and he’d likely have much more trade value, too. Plus, you’d still have TPE’s that would allow you to do much of what you’d do with the same cap space you’d open by letting Warren walk. You could still eat contracts for payment, since you’re far under the tax. Letting Warren walk on principle seems, to me, like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” type of move. You e waited out his massive rehab. Why not see what you can get out of it?

It's the amount of disruption that he will cause when he misses half a season every season after we sign him to long contract

I can see us signing him to a 4 year contract, and him playing great in year 1, but missing large chunks of years 2 and 3 with injury, and then coming back for year 4

It's just too disruptive having a starter keep shuffling in and out of the lineup like that for extended periods of time

Now, if we're signing him for strictly a bench role, then I'm all for that

Sorry I don’t know how to bold and snip certain segments but you’re part about it being too disruptive is exactly what they have putting so much salary into Brogdon. That’s why I want him gone. Not that he’s a bad player as he’s just not a reliable body.

Don’t know if Warren will be dependable yet as we haven’t seen him come back.

[Scoot McGroot]

Honestly, I'd rather just see a clean break

Even if he proves he's healthy for a year, I still don't want to bet on him remaining healthy over a 3 or 4 year contract period after that

Some things are just not meant to be, it's best to move on

A clean break no matter what? Even if it means we don’t have any possible SF/PF’s other than Brissett and Taylor? Just keep playing guys out of position and possibly setting back their development?

To me, it’s worth it to keep Warren even if you’re worried of him not playing. He’s such a rare player in the league right now and would provide much more impact than he costs. And having guys like Taylor and Brissett help offset that worry of him not being healthy. Also, there’s just not much else to use the cap space on than him, so why not keep him and see if he comes back healthy? If so, he’s a better player than anything you could otherwise acquire, and he’d likely have much more trade value, too. Plus, you’d still have TPE’s that would allow you to do much of what you’d do with the same cap space you’d open by letting Warren walk. You could still eat contracts for payment, since you’re far under the tax. Letting Warren walk on principle seems, to me, like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” type of move. You e waited out his massive rehab. Why not see what you can get out of it?

It's the amount of disruption that he will cause when he misses half a season every season after we sign him to long contract

I can see us signing him to a 4 year contract, and him playing great in year 1, but missing large chunks of years 2 and 3 with injury, and then coming back for year 4

It's just too disruptive having a starter keep shuffling in and out of the lineup like that for extended periods of time

Now, if we're signing him for strictly a bench role, then I'm all for that

No one said a 4 year deal, and it's highly unlikely he would want one, as it'd pay him much less than he should be making. But if you sign him to a 2 year type make good deal, and he's healthy in year one, just deal him? You'll get a ton more value than you would've with just the cap space. And if you don't deal him, you'll have a much better player than you could've otherwise had.

But even then, Warren has had one massive injury with us. He wasn't in and out of the lineup constantly. He basically had a fully healthy season with us, and then hurt his foot early in his 2nd season with us. We don't like the time frame it's taken for a massive injury to heal? That's fine. But it's not like he's been back and forth a la Brogdon or Turner. He's had a clear, and serious injury, and it's healing in a timeframe that it probably was supposed to?

[Topofthekey]

Spoiler:

A clean break no matter what? Even if it means we don’t have any possible SF/PF’s other than Brissett and Taylor? Just keep playing guys out of position and possibly setting back their development?

To me, it’s worth it to keep Warren even if you’re worried of him not playing. He’s such a rare player in the league right now and would provide much more impact than he costs. And having guys like Taylor and Brissett help offset that worry of him not being healthy. Also, there’s just not much else to use the cap space on than him, so why not keep him and see if he comes back healthy? If so, he’s a better player than anything you could otherwise acquire, and he’d likely have much more trade value, too. Plus, you’d still have TPE’s that would allow you to do much of what you’d do with the same cap space you’d open by letting Warren walk. You could still eat contracts for payment, since you’re far under the tax. Letting Warren walk on principle seems, to me, like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” type of move. You e waited out his massive rehab. Why not see what you can get out of it?

It's the amount of disruption that he will cause when he misses half a season every season after we sign him to long contract

I can see us signing him to a 4 year contract, and him playing great in year 1, but missing large chunks of years 2 and 3 with injury, and then coming back for year 4

It's just too disruptive having a starter keep shuffling in and out of the lineup like that for extended periods of time

Now, if we're signing him for strictly a bench role, then I'm all for that

No one said a 4 year deal, and it's highly unlikely he would want one, as it'd pay him much less than he should be making. But if you sign him to a 2 year type make good deal, and he's healthy in year one, just deal him? You'll get a ton more value than you would've with just the cap space. And if you don't deal him, you'll have a much better player than you could've otherwise had.

But even then, Warren has had one massive injury with us. He wasn't in and out of the lineup constantly. He basically had a fully healthy season with us, and then hurt his foot early in his 2nd season with us. We don't like the time frame it's taken for a massive injury to heal? That's fine. But it's not like he's been back and forth a la Brogdon or Turner. He's had a clear, and serious injury, and it's healing in a timeframe that it probably was supposed to?

I'm just predicting that he will be, if signed to a multi year contract

I don't want to have to ride out his next spate of injuries, some other team can do that if they want to

As for hoping that he can remain healthy for a year so that he can be traded for value, that's tempting of course. But how much value would another team give for him? Even if he signed a two year deal and played well in year 1, he'll only have one more year remaining, and coupled with his injury history, he's probably not going to fetch a lot in a trade. Maybe a late FRP? The payoff isn't that great, we're aren't losing too much just letting him go

Mostly though, I think they should just move on firmly into the Haliburton era. The team has a good direction now. Instead of spending a year trying to build up Warren's trade value, I'd rather they use the opportunity to acquire long term pieces that fit with this direction

Trying out new lineups and giving opportunities to young players will be part of this process. Better to fully focus on this, than getting distracted trying to build up Warren's trade value

[Scoot McGroot]

Spoiler:

It's the amount of disruption that he will cause when he misses half a season every season after we sign him to long contract

I can see us signing him to a 4 year contract, and him playing great in year 1, but missing large chunks of years 2 and 3 with injury, and then coming back for year 4

It's just too disruptive having a starter keep shuffling in and out of the lineup like that for extended periods of time

Now, if we're signing him for strictly a bench role, then I'm all for that

No one said a 4 year deal, and it's highly unlikely he would want one, as it'd pay him much less than he should be making. But if you sign him to a 2 year type make good deal, and he's healthy in year one, just deal him? You'll get a ton more value than you would've with just the cap space. And if you don't deal him, you'll have a much better player than you could've otherwise had.

But even then, Warren has had one massive injury with us. He wasn't in and out of the lineup constantly. He basically had a fully healthy season with us, and then hurt his foot early in his 2nd season with us. We don't like the time frame it's taken for a massive injury to heal? That's fine. But it's not like he's been back and forth a la Brogdon or Turner. He's had a clear, and serious injury, and it's healing in a timeframe that it probably was supposed to?

I'm just predicting that he will be, if signed to a multi year contract

I don't want to have to ride out his next spate of injuries, some other team can do that if they want to

As for hoping that he can remain healthy for a year so that he can be traded for value, that's tempting of course. But how much value would another team give for him? Even if he signed a two year deal and played well in year 1, he'll only have one more year remaining, and coupled with his injury history, he's probably not going to fetch a lot in a trade. Maybe a late FRP? The payoff isn't that great, we're aren't losing too much just letting him go

Mostly though, I think they should just move on firmly into the Haliburton era. The team has a good direction now. Instead of spending a year trying to build up Warren's trade value, I'd rather they use the opportunity to acquire long term pieces that fit with this direction

Trying out new lineups and giving opportunities to young players will be part of this process. Better to fully focus on this, than getting distracted trying to build up Warren's trade value

At the same time, you’re just blindly guessing. Should we let Hali go just because someone is predicting with no knowledge of the situation that he might have some injuries in the next couple years?

[Pacers Forever]

Read on Twitter

?s=21

Getting this thread back to Haliburton related content it’s great that Buddy’s playing almost as well statistically. I wasn’t sure how he’d fare. He’s commented that Rick has given him a new opportunity to enjoy playing again.

[Tom White]

Getting this thread back to Haliburton related content it’s great that Buddy’s playing almost as well statistically. I wasn’t sure how he’d fare. He’s commented that Rick has given him a new opportunity to enjoy playing again.

He seems to be taking advantage of whatever chances he is getting. Good for him, and for the Pacers.

[Topofthekey]

Getting this thread back to Haliburton related content it’s great that Buddy’s playing almost as well statistically. I wasn’t sure how he’d fare. He’s commented that Rick has given him a new opportunity to enjoy playing again.

He seems to be taking advantage of whatever chances he is getting. Good for him, and for the Pacers.

He's turning into a positive asset. They'll be able to flip him if they want to

[Tom White]

He's turning into a positive asset. They'll be able to flip him if they want to

At least at this point, I'm not so sure they should move him.

[Wizop]

He's turning into a positive asset. They'll be able to flip him if they want to

At least at this point, I'm not so sure they should move him.

Heild has exceeded my expectations.

Sent from my Pixel 6 using RealGM mobile app

[Topofthekey]

He's turning into a positive asset. They'll be able to flip him if they want to

At least at this point, I'm not so sure they should move him.

Heild has exceeded my expectations.

Sent from my Pixel 6 using RealGM mobile app

I won't be too upset if they ended up keeping him. Looks like they might just do