Who Should Be The Next Coach?

Wizop · Post #101 » by **Wizop** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:06 am

I read somewhere today that a big part of Butler going to Miami was DWade telling him when they were in Chicago that the culture in Miami was near perfect.

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Topofthekey · Post #102 » by **Topofthekey** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:37 am

I still find Wade scummy for robbing Aaron Gordon of the dunk title

Moooose · Post #103 » by **Moooose** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:43 am

Wizop wrote:I read somewhere today that a big part of Butler going to Miami was DWade telling him when they were in Chicago that the culture in Miami was near perfect.

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I remember reading something like that as well some years ago. It said that's why Miami is every player's dream team, well outside of the big cities, of course. The weather, the setting, the culture, and Pat Riley. And that front office are good in assembling a team that fits potential / talent-wise and chemistry wise, even in their losing seasons.

Post #104 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:31 pm

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Tom White · Post #105 » by **Tom White** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:00 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:

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That doesn't really excite me. Hard to pin down why. Guess he just never impressed me, for whatever reasons.

Post #106 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Yeah I'm willing to give Pritchard the benefit of the doubt, but the outlook is starting to look worse the longer it goes on.

That said, Brown may just be getting an interview based on his previous connections with Indy. He certainly wasn't good as a head coach, though maybe he has learned some things from his recent stops.

Post #107 » by **Jake0890** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:

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big OOF.

Wizop · Post #108 » by **Wizop** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:19 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:

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I'm okay with Brown if like Bird he hires coordinators. When he was here, he had a reputation as a player whisperer.

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Post #109 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:20 pm

Yeah, Brown wasn’t a bad coach and did well with the rosters given to him. At the time, he caught a lot of flack, but in hindsight, it appears he did pretty well considering the rosters he was dealing with at the time.

Post #110 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:44 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Yeah, Brown wasn’t a bad coach and did well with the rosters given to him. At the time, he caught a lot of flack, but in hindsight, it appears he did pretty well considering the rosters he was dealing with at the time.

I suppose, in the same vein as Lue, it's not entirely fair to fully judge his tenure as a head coach given he had Lebron and then Kobe. That said, his tenure was underwhelming and had some of the same issues we had with both Vogel and Nate as it relates to offense. His second stint with Cleveland was quite bad though.

Post #111 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:02 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Yeah, Brown wasn’t a bad coach and did well with the rosters given to him. At the time, he caught a lot of flack, but in hindsight, it appears he did pretty well considering the rosters he was dealing with at the time.

I suppose, in the same vein as Lue, it's not entirely fair to fully judge his tenure as a head coach given he had Lebron and then Kobe. That said, his tenure was underwhelming and had some of the same issues we had with both Vogel and Nate as it relates to offense. His second stint with Cleveland was quite bad though.

That second stint Was one season and pretty fair considering he had essentially Kyrie and Bynum, and that was the season Bynum was a complete malcontent and got bought out (and subsequently signed by us).

I’m not meaning to beat the drum for him. I don’t personally hope he’s hired. But he’s an ok coach that’s dealt with a lot of crap and done ok. And he’s been a top tier assistant essentially his entire career. He probably deserves another chance, eventually.

Post #112 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:06 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Yeah, Brown wasn’t a bad coach and did well with the rosters given to him. At the time, he caught a lot of flack, but in hindsight, it appears he did pretty well considering the rosters he was dealing with at the time.

I suppose, in the same vein as Lue, it's not entirely fair to fully judge his tenure as a head coach given he had Lebron and then Kobe. That said, his tenure was underwhelming and had some of the same issues we had with both Vogel and Nate as it relates to offense. His second stint with Cleveland was quite bad though.

That second stint Was one season and pretty fair considering he had essentially Kyrie and Bynum, and that was the season Bynum was a complete malcontent and got bought out (and subsequently signed by us).

I’m not meaning to beat the drum for him. I don’t personally hope he’s hired. But he’s an ok coach that’s dealt with a lot of crap and done ok. And he’s been a top tier assistant essentially his entire career. He probably deserves another chance, eventually.

That's all fair. I'm just not convinced, based on his body of work and even with the caveats above, that he's the right guy for us. Management did the right thing and dealt with the optics of firing Nate. Why turn around and hire another retread who has displayed similar issues? Unless it's just a situation where players didn't really like Nate, but still.

I'm beginning to wonder as well if keeping Burke on is an issue for some coaches. I'd want him to stay, but I get it if Indy is telling candidates basically "I know you've got staff in mind, but we've got one of the top assistant positions and the entirety of the defense covered."

Post #113 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:11 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
I suppose, in the same vein as Lue, it's not entirely fair to fully judge his tenure as a head coach given he had Lebron and then Kobe. That said, his tenure was underwhelming and had some of the same issues we had with both Vogel and Nate as it relates to offense. His second stint with Cleveland was quite bad though.

That second stint Was one season and pretty fair considering he had essentially Kyrie and Bynum, and that was the season Bynum was a complete malcontent and got bought out (and subsequently signed by us).

I’m not meaning to beat the drum for him. I don’t personally hope he’s hired. But he’s an ok coach that’s dealt with a lot of crap and done ok. And he’s been a top tier assistant essentially his entire career. He probably deserves another chance, eventually.

That's all fair. I'm just not convinced, based on his body of work and even with the caveats above, that he's the right guy for us. Management did the right thing and dealt with the optics of firing Nate. Why turn around and hire another retread who has displayed similar issues? Unless it's just a situation where players didn't really like Nate, but still.

I'm beginning to wonder as well if keeping Burke on is an issue for some coaches. I'd want him to stay, but I get it if Indy is telling candidates basically "I know you've got staff in mind, but we've got one of the top assistant positions and the entirety of the defense covered."

Sorry. I’ll be clear. I’m not saying he’s the right guy for us or that I want him to be the hire in any way. I’m solely saying that he gets a lot of crap for his time that, in hindsight, I think he’s a lot better than he looked at the time. We didn’t see Kyrie as a coach killer that’s terrible to deal with. Now we know he always has been.

Tom White · Post #114 » by **Tom White** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:31 pm

pacers33granger wrote:I'm beginning to wonder as well if keeping Burke on is an issue for some coaches. I'd want him to stay, but I get it if Indy is telling candidates basically "I know you've got staff in mind, but we've got one of the top assistant positions and the entirety of the defense covered."

I would hope they have enough faith in whomever they hire to allow him to choose his assistants. If he likes Burke, that's fine. If he doesn't want Burke, it shouldn't be forced on him.

On the other hand, if they don't trust the new coach enough to hire his own assistants, perhaps he is not the person for the job to begin with.

I suppose there is the possibility, if the new coach is not a veteran, and doesn't have that many contacts, he may need help in filling out his staff. So there is that, as well.

Topofthekey · Post #115 » by **Topofthekey** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:52 pm

I find it a little strange

Wasn't Nate talked about as a coach who was able to get players to buy in to their roles?

Why does it suddenly sound like he got fired because he lost the locker room?

Post #116 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:34 pm

Topofthekey wrote:I find it a little strange

Wasn't Nate talked about as a coach who was able to get players to buy in to their roles?

Why does it suddenly sound like he got fired because he lost the locker room?

I don't believe it but there were the rumblings that some players weren't a fan. I think it was moreso guys like Brogdon coming from another team and realizing we had zero offensive identity.

Post #117 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:36 pm

It's also hard to hold onto a locker room when your style consistently fails when it matters most.

I think guys liked and respected him but realized there were some glaring deficiencies that had not been addressed.

Post #118 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:09 pm

Topofthekey wrote:I find it a little strange

Wasn't Nate talked about as a coach who was able to get players to buy in to their roles?

Why does it suddenly sound like he got fired because he lost the locker room?

Good questions. Some may be covering their bases, but I would also say that it may be that he lost them, schematically. Also, he’s a respectable guy that held the locker room together for awhile through some tough situations, but he’s also an old school player who just may not have accepted that the new school is different. Guys like Thad were heralded as loving him. We had a real young locker room this year.

Wizop · Post #119 » by **Wizop** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:21 pm

The only circumstance in which I want to keep Burke is if he convinces the new head coach that Nate constrained him. We were as inflexible on defense as we were on offense.

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Post #120 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:44 pm

Wizop wrote:The only circumstance in which I want to keep Burke is if he convinces the new head coach that Nate constrained him. We were as inflexible on defense as we were on offense.

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From what I’ve heard, Dan coaches up the defense but Nate calls the defense in game and strategies.