Roster construction

[Pacers Forever]

I believe Turner is limited to a 4/$97m extension if he extends before he hits free agency. Once he hits free agency, he’d be eligible to sign for anything up to his max salary (4/$174+m). He won’t get a full max, but you can see there’s a wiiiiiiiiide variance of value there.

So he could turn down an extension not because he wants out but because he's betting on his ability to get more next summer. Is that a reason to shop him?

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We reportedly did so with Oladipo. he was only dealt after he declined his option and wanted to test free agency.

Makes sense to shop him if he turns down initial extension offered unless they get a written agreement that he’ll sign an extension with the team for x amount between the $97m and $174m. Not sure if they could execute that type of good faith deal until he’s eligible to do so.

[Wizop]

So he could turn down an extension not because he wants out but because he's betting on his ability to get more next summer. Is that a reason to shop him?

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We reportedly did so with Oladipo. he was only dealt after he declined his option and wanted to test free agency.

Makes sense to shop him if he turns down initial extension offered unless they get a written agreement that he’ll sign an extension with the team for x amount between the $97m and $174m. Not sure if they could execute that type of good faith deal until he’s eligible to do so.

I'm sure nothing legally binding could be signed but there can be discussions. it was no secret that Oladipo wanted out.

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[basketballwacko2]

We reportedly did so with Oladipo. he was only dealt after he declined his option and wanted to test free agency.

Makes sense to shop him if he turns down initial extension offered unless they get a written agreement that he’ll sign an extension with the team for x amount between the $97m and $174m. Not sure if they could execute that type of good faith deal until he’s eligible to do so.

I'm sure nothing legally binding could be signed but there can be discussions. it was no secret that Oladipo wanted out.

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It's just incredible how bad Victor screwed himself.

[Scoot McGroot]

So he could turn down an extension not because he wants out but because he's betting on his ability to get more next summer. Is that a reason to shop him?

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We reportedly did so with Oladipo. he was only dealt after he declined his option and wanted to test free agency.

Makes sense to shop him if he turns down initial extension offered unless they get a written agreement that he’ll sign an extension with the team for x amount between the $97m and $174m. Not sure if they could execute that type of good faith deal until he’s eligible to do so.

Any sort of written agreement would be proof of circumvention of the CBA and would be the kind of thing to get a couple firsts taken away from the team. This would be pretty similar to what got Minnesota in trouble in the Joe Smith fiasco, in that they had a signed agreement of how they would get Joe a contract larger than they could legally offer him at the time.

[Pacers Forever]

We reportedly did so with Oladipo. he was only dealt after he declined his option and wanted to test free agency.

Makes sense to shop him if he turns down initial extension offered unless they get a written agreement that he’ll sign an extension with the team for x amount between the $97m and $174m. Not sure if they could execute that type of good faith deal until he’s eligible to do so.

Any sort of written agreement would be proof of circumvention of the CBA and would be the kind of thing to get a couple firsts taken away from the team. This would be pretty similar to what got Minnesota in trouble in the Joe Smith fiasco, in that they had a signed agreement of how they would get Joe a contract larger than they could legally offer him at the time.

Thanks for clarification.

[Wizop]

Very early in the press conference Carlisle says Smith is their starting PF

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[Wizop]

It's starting to feel like this (1-5)

Haliburton, McConnell, Nembhard
Mathurin, Hield, Washington
Duarte, Nesmith
Smith, Brissett, Taylor
Turner, Jackson, Theis, Bitadze

but it would seem better if Brissett were at 3 and Theis were at 4. expanding the Boston trade to swap Theis for a true SF would be my first choice. trading Goga for a SF would also work.

[Tom White]

It's starting to feel like this (1-5)

Haliburton, McConnell, Nembhard
Mathurin, Hield, Washington
Duarte, Nesmith
Smith, Brissett, Taylor
Turner, Jackson, Theis, Bitadze

but it would seem better if Brissett were at 3 and Theis were at 4. expanding the Boston trade to swap Theis for a true SF would be my first choice. trading Goga for a SF would also work.

I wouldn't be too quick to count Hield out of a starting spot just yet. The younger guys still have to earn their stripes.

Goga is in an odd spot. He isn't totally without talent, and his contract is minor, but he feels a bit redundant. Of course, if he is traded, we will have two of our centers get injured the next game.

[Topofthekey]

Turner is the next puzzle piece to fall into place

He's 26, so his next contract is probably going to be the biggest one in his career. It makes sense for he and his camp to not rush into an extension and instead take a wait and see attitude to better gauge his worth in the open market

I think I'm ok with that as well

Turner likes being here I believe, so I think he'll give the team a chance to match whatever offer he gets in the open market. As long as Pacers are willing to do that, he'll likely stay a Pacer

In the event some dumb team throws a max or near max offer at him, it's still not a total lost as Pacers can still recoup some value via a sign and trade

Basically I don't think I'm concerned enough about his upcoming FA status to want to sell low on him

[Tom White]

I just realized the Pacers only have two players making more than $10M per year (Hield and Turner, both of whom are at close to $20M per year). That is almost unheard of in the current wage climate of the league.

[Scoot McGroot]

Turner is the next puzzle piece to fall into place

He's 26, so his next contract is probably going to be the biggest one in his career. It makes sense for he and his camp to not rush into an extension and instead take a wait and see attitude to better gauge his worth in the open market

I think I'm ok with that as well

Turner likes being here I believe, so I think he'll give the team a chance to match whatever offer he gets in the open market. As long as Pacers are willing to do that, he'll likely stay a Pacer

In the event some dumb team throws a max or near max offer at him, it's still not a total lost as Pacers can still recoup some value via a sign and trade

Basically I don't think I'm concerned enough about his upcoming FA status to want to sell low on him

I definitely wouldn’t plan on that. He’ll be unrestricted, and if a team makes him an offer, they’re confident they can clear the cap space to pay him. In theory, a sign and trade like that would actually be Indy paying the other team a second or something to create a TPE or just to take on bad salary.

[Pacers Forever]

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Ok I will just wait for the results and not try to figure out who they’re keeping and so forth.

[Grang33r]

I was thinking about this on my drive home tonight. I remember i mentioned this in a diff thread not too long ago, but on the topic of "roster construction", if the season began tomorrow who would our starting 5 be?

-Haliburton 0
-Hield 24
-Mathurin 00
-Smith 25
-Turner 33

Seem right?

[Wizop]

I was thinking about this on my drive home tonight. I remember i mentioned this in a diff thread not too long ago, but on the topic of "roster construction", if the season began tomorrow who would our starting 5 be?

-Haliburton 0
-Hield 24
-Mathurin 00
-Smith 25
-Turner 33

Seem right?

at this point I think Duarte is a better 3 than Mathurin and would be my starter there. I think I bring Buddy off the bench at 2. he was comfortable doing that last year but that was behind Brogdon. the best answer might be to trade him so Nesmith and Brown can be the second unit wings.

[Tom White]

at this point I think Duarte is a better 3 than Mathurin and would be my starter there. I think I bring Buddy off the bench at 2. he was comfortable doing that last year but that was behind Brogdon. the best answer might be to trade him so Nesmith and Brown can be the second unit wings.

I'm not sure what to make of Brown. He has good athletic ability, but how well does he "see" the game and understand what to do/not do? Maybe he is one of those guys who would have benefited from a second year of college? Maybe getting playing time with the Mad Ants would be better for him than riding the Pacer bench?

Is he a year away...from being a year away?

[Wizop]

I'm not sure what to make of Brown. He has good athletic ability, but how well does he "see" the game and understand what to do/not do? Maybe he is one of those guys who would have benefited from a second year of college? Maybe getting playing time with the Mad Ants would be better for him than riding the Pacer bench?

I'll be interesting to see if he gets a regular contract or a two-way. either way he can get some PT with the Ants. he not only needs to understand more but he also needs a lot of shooting practice.

[boomershadow]

I would prefer to keep Buddy. Carlisle is a guard whisperer and had him playing way better than anyone thought he would be playing. There is value in that even if his age doesn't quite align with everyone else.

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[Tom White]

I would prefer to keep Buddy. Carlisle is a guard whisperer and had him playing way better than anyone thought he would be playing. There is value in that even if his age doesn't quite align with everyone else.

I agree with you. Plus, this team simply isn't good enough at this point to worry about a timeline.

[Wizop]

I would prefer to keep Buddy. Carlisle is a guard whisperer and had him playing way better than anyone thought he would be playing. There is value in that even if his age doesn't quite align with everyone else.

I agree with you. Plus, this team simply isn't good enough at this point to worry about a timeline.

I disagree with that. I think you always need to plan with a timeline if you aren't good, the timeline would be longer, but you still need one. perhaps not a timeline to a championship but a timeline to 50 wins.

[Pacersike]

Ever since Rick joined our forces, I really like the players and roster construction we target and it helps that he is a player magnet.

Tanking too hard is very dangerous and going after Ayton is another great idea.