It’ll be interesting to see how Turner responds next season

[Topofthekey]

If the threads in the T&T are any indication of the value of Turner it doesn't look good for a trade. The fact that he's playing pretty well seems lost on the masterminds of RealGM.

I'm not surprised. The Lakers offer that keeps on popping up seems very underwhelming. Earlier today i read on twitter that the Clippers may be interested too? No clue what they could offer but it doesn't seem to me they can offer anything nicer then what the Lakers can off?

What's been the best trade proposal you've seen on the T&T board?

I haven't seen a thread on the T&T that's worth talking about. There is one on there now about the Clippers interest suggesting Norman Powell and some 2028 or 29 #1 pick. Powell who is 6'3'' and listed as a SF who makes $74 million over the next 4 seasons!! I'd need 2 #1's to take him into space, considering his undersized SF and he's really a SG and don't we have 5-6 guys who are 6'5'' to 6'6''? Buddy is a better player, there's Nesmith, Nembard, Duarte...


You know a couple of years ago I said Buddy was 30% over paid but he looks to be not far off of a good value now. I think come deadline time someone might just give up what the cavs did or even more.

This

When Pacers acquired him I said that he's going to be positive value by this year and I still think that will be the case

He's actually really solid and would be a good addition to most contenders

I wouldn't even mind keeping him if we didn't already have Duarte and Mathurin waiting in the wings

I think a LeVert-like package by the trade deadline is something entirely realistic to aim for

[basketballwacko2]

From the article:

The Pacers can offer him a max deal that would look like this:

2023-24: $40,200,000
2024-25: $43,416,000
2025-26: $46,632,000
2026-27: $49,848,000
2027-28: $53,064,000
Total: five years, $233,160,000

In UFA a starting max salary of $40.2 million! I can't imagine anyone gives him that kind of money. The Pacers can offer a 5th year as in the quote above, and bigger raises. Still 30% of the cap for one guy is pretty scary especially when that guy has had a lot of ticky tacky injuries.

In full, if Turner did a renegotiate-and-extend deal for the max he’s allowed, it would look like this:

2022-23: $37,096,500
2023-24: $40,064,220
2024-25: $43,031,940
2025-26: $45,999,660
2026-27: $48,967,380
Total: five years, $215,159,700

If I was Turner's agent and this was offered I'd advise him to take it.

The quote above is even pretty scary to me but for Turner he should consider it if the Pacers are offering. He's getting a $19 million raise this season and then 4 years at $40 million plus.

The issue for me is do we want to give Turner $40 million a year? We're gonna have to sign Haliburton in 2024-25 can this team have 2 guys at that kind of huge money?







https://www.spotrac.com/research/NBA/next-contract-series-myles-turner-1672/

[basketballwacko2]

I'm not surprised. The Lakers offer that keeps on popping up seems very underwhelming. Earlier today i read on twitter that the Clippers may be interested too? No clue what they could offer but it doesn't seem to me they can offer anything nicer then what the Lakers can off?

What's been the best trade proposal you've seen on the T&T board?

I haven't seen a thread on the T&T that's worth talking about. There is one on there now about the Clippers interest suggesting Norman Powell and some 2028 or 29 #1 pick. Powell who is 6'3'' and listed as a SF who makes $74 million over the next 4 seasons!! I'd need 2 #1's to take him into space, considering his undersized SF and he's really a SG and don't we have 5-6 guys who are 6'5'' to 6'6''? Buddy is a better player, there's Nesmith, Nembard, Duarte...


You know a couple of years ago I said Buddy was 30% over paid but he looks to be not far off of a good value now. I think come deadline time someone might just give up what the cavs did or even more.

This

When Pacers acquired him I said that he's going to be positive value by this year and I still think that will be the case

He's actually really solid and would be a good addition to most contenders

I wouldn't even mind keeping him if we didn't already have Duarte and Mathurin waiting in the wings

I think a LeVert-like package by the trade deadline is something entirely realistic to aim for

I was roundly criticized in the Trade board for suggesting that we might be able to get a similar package as we got for LeHurt. Buddy is a better player and he plays, LeHurt misses games all the time, if he plays 55 games your lucky. Buddy is an 80 games a year kinda player.

[Ruaidri]

With the way Turner is playing and if he keeps it up. Would you be comfortable offering him the money, we offered Ayton? Starting with 31m a year.

Who can offer the same or more?

[Wizop]

With the way Turner is playing and if he keeps it up. Would you be comfortable offering him the money, we offered Ayton? Starting with 31m a year.

I suspect that might be a similar percentage of the cap as his current contract was of the cap back when it was signed. yes, I'm comfortable 25 to 30 but not 40. I think that's academic though as I don't think he qualifies for 40.

[8305]

With the way Turner is playing and if he keeps it up. Would you be comfortable offering him the money, we offered Ayton? Starting with 31m a year.

I suspect that might be a similar percentage of the cap as his current contract was of the cap back when it was signed. yes, I'm comfortable 25 to 30 but not 40. I think that's academic though as I don't think he qualifies for 40.

The Myles Turner we’ve been seeing in the last week is a pretty valuable guy. Right now he’s a defensive anchor, legit floor spacer and 3rd scoring option. That skill set would be huge in the playoffs. Value wise the Myles we are watching now is right there with Ayton. The question, who else has the cap space and need to pay him this much?

[Scoot McGroot]

With the way Turner is playing and if he keeps it up. Would you be comfortable offering him the money, we offered Ayton? Starting with 31m a year.

I suspect that might be a similar percentage of the cap as his current contract was of the cap back when it was signed. yes, I'm comfortable 25 to 30 but not 40. I think that's academic though as I don't think he qualifies for 40.

The Myles Turner we’ve been seeing in the last week is a pretty valuable guy. Right now he’s a defensive anchor, legit floor spacer and 3rd scoring option. That skill set would be huge in the playoffs. Value wise the Myles we are watching now is right there with Ayton. The question, who else has the cap space and need to pay him this much?

To be clear, something like 8+teams this offseason project to have $25ish million or more in cap space, at this time.

[8305]

I suspect that might be a similar percentage of the cap as his current contract was of the cap back when it was signed. yes, I'm comfortable 25 to 30 but not 40. I think that's academic though as I don't think he qualifies for 40.

The Myles Turner we’ve been seeing in the last week is a pretty valuable guy. Right now he’s a defensive anchor, legit floor spacer and 3rd scoring option. That skill set would be huge in the playoffs. Value wise the Myles we are watching now is right there with Ayton. The question, who else has the cap space and need to pay him this much?

To be clear, something like 8+teams this offseason project to have $25ish million or more in cap space, at this time.

Of those eight teams how many have the need for a 5 and offer a playing situation as good or better than than Indiana’s?

[countryboy667]

I understand his contract status, and his injury history, but despite an as yet small sample size, this team is playing much better than almost anyone expected--and Turner is a big part of that. We might have something special here with Haliburton, Mathurin, Smith (getting him was a stroke of GREAT luck!) Duarte, Jackson, Nembhard, Nesmith, Brissett and of course Myles, all in their early to mid 20s. We have older but valuable possible trade assets in Hield and McConnell and some useful picks in coming seasons.

He's said he wants to be here. We have the cap space. Give him the money!!!

[Pacers Forever]

I understand his contract status, and his injury history, but despite an as yet small sample size, this team is playing much better than almost anyone expected--and Turner is a big part of that. We might have something special here with Haliburton, Mathurin, Smith (getting him was a stroke of GREAT luck!) Duarte, Jackson, Nembhard, Nesmith, Brissett and of course Myles, all in their early to mid 20s. We have older but valuable possible trade assets in Hield and McConnell and some useful picks in coming seasons.

He's said he wants to be here. We have the cap space. Give him the money!!!

He’s definitely balling out and increasing his value game by game. I’m for keeping him if this small sample is what playing with Tyrese and the crew will produce. I just hope his salary demand next season is suppressed by less teams willing to spend big money on him giving us a chance at a reasonable contract.

[basketballwacko2]

Here is the way I'm looking at the Turner thing. Indiana is showcasing him and he's shining pretty bright right now, putting up some nice numbers with the points, blocks and 3's. And the Pacers are winning games. They may decide to trade him if someone wants to make a legit offer and not the semi-insulting lowball offers we've been seeing here. They might want to extend him. The only way that happens is a renegotiated extension.

The Pacers are a rebuilding team. They had their fire sale and picked up some draft picks and one great player, Haliburton.

Now Turner is 26 he's about 5 years older than most of the players, he's in a position to be the Vet leader of this young team if he chooses to accept that role. The Pacers have the money to give him a big raise from his $18 million 2022 salary, with $27 million in cap space sitting there staring them in the face. Why not give him a front loaded contract? $35 million today for this season as the first of a renegotiated deal that's a raise of $17 million and the Pacers still have $10 million in cap left. If you're not going anywhere anyhow and you have to spend the money (cap floor) give this guy his big ole bag of cash up front and make it a declining contract.

If the team is not expected to win this season and you have to spend the money any how why not lock up this unique player? He's a 7 foot, shot swatter who can shot the 3 and switch on defense when needed.

The Pacers have a west coast road trip coming up the next 12 games are gonna be tougher than the last 12 after they run this gauntlet close to the 30 game point and near the end of December. That's when I expect them to make a decision on Turner. Will he take the raise and extend? IDK, I would if I was him. But he may want to go back to Texas for all I know. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio even OKC might be more to his liking.

[Wizop]

I just hope his salary demand next season is suppressed by less teams willing to spend big money on him giving us a chance at a reasonable contract.

I think fans tend to judge reasonability on current contracts, but history shows that what is reasonable in year X is lower than what is reasonable in year X+1. I don't see Turner wanting to leave unless someone offers him more money than we do, but I don't see him giving us a home town discount either. as much as I'd like to see a renegotiated extension, I don't think Turner will sign a new contract before he sees what other players are signing for next summer.

[granger05]

There's a thread on the trades and transactions board about Turner's next contract. It's mentioned there as well as a couple times in this thread that a renegotiate and extend is an option here. This article on Sportstrac explains the details since I went looking, LINK

That article covers all the options for the Pacers and Turner with the renegotiate-and-extend as the last one listed. One thing I don't find in there is the deadline for when this can get done. I think that if Turner stays healthy and the team keeps playing well then something like a big bump in salary now and then a declining contract going forward is a nice deal for both sides. Turner gets his money, but it's structured in a way that benefits the team when others are up for getting paid.

Our schedule has been light and Turner has been relatively healthy so maybe the jury is still out. It's also possible that other opportunities come up with the cap space that make more sense in which case this wouldn't happen. It's also possible a big trade for Turner presents itself. However, if the deadline for this kind of renegotiation is AFTER the trade deadline when the cap room situation is known then I could see it happening then. Does anybody know the timeline on these decisions?

[Topofthekey]

Another positive with front loading his contract is it probably makes him more tradable later on if Pacers decide to trade him in say year 2 or 3 of his new contract since the team acquiring him would be getting the cheaper years

[basketballwacko2]

There's a thread on the trades and transactions board about Turner's next contract. It's mentioned there as well as a couple times in this thread that a renegotiate and extend is an option here. This article on Sportstrac explains the details since I went looking, LINK

That article covers all the options for the Pacers and Turner with the renegotiate-and-extend as the last one listed. One thing I don't find in there is the deadline for when this can get done. I think that if Turner stays healthy and the team keeps playing well then something like a big bump in salary now and then a declining contract going forward is a nice deal for both sides. Turner gets his money, but it's structured in a way that benefits the team when others are up for getting paid.

Our schedule has been light and Turner has been relatively healthy so maybe the jury is still out. It's also possible that other opportunities come up with the cap space that make more sense in which case this wouldn't happen. It's also possible a big trade for Turner presents itself. However, if the deadline for this kind of renegotiation is AFTER the trade deadline when the cap room situation is known then I could see it happening then. Does anybody know the timeline on these decisions?

The Renegotiated Extension is the best option for both Myles and the team. He gets a raise this year in today's dollars not next year or 3 yrs down the road. I like the idea of front loading. I think I'm the one in that T&T thread bringing this up.

I said after the big west coast trip, we can really start to talk to Turner about this. I'd target Jan 15, 2023 as the point that we must decide are we signing him or is he signing and or do we trade him.

[basketballwacko2]

I spent a few min of my Friday morning looking at the home pages of a couple of west coast teams who think they can get Turner from us. They have little to offer and most of the posters are delusional at best. One guy says, "Well the Pacers have been trying to trade him for years... And no team will give them what they want!" Because Bleacher Report keeps posting rumors about it doesn't mean it is a fact. The only rumor that had any credibility was the Boston/Hayward rumor and that was a case of Ainge wanting to bend us over. We dodged a bullet when Char came in with that crazy offer then made to GH!!!

Turner is playing great let's take our time and see what happens the trade deadline is Feb 5th if I'm not mistaken.

[granger05]

I get to quote myself.

One thing I don't find in there is the deadline for when this can get done...

It's also possible that other opportunities come up with the cap space that make more sense in which case this wouldn't happen. It's also possible a big trade for Turner presents itself. However, if the deadline for this kind of renegotiation is AFTER the trade deadline when the cap room situation is known then I could see it happening then. Does anybody know the timeline on these decisions?

I enjoy John Hollinger's articles on the Athletic. He talks about a lot of contract details that otherwise go unnoticed. He has an article today that answers my previous questions.

This detail allows the Pacers to do a “renegotiate-and-extend” at some point between now and March 1, a rare move since so few teams have cap space while the season is going on...

If you’re wondering why the Pacers haven’t done this already, there happens to be a really good reason: They can’t trade Turner once they execute this deal.

The fact that this deadline is AFTER the trade deadline seems like a best-case scenario since we can see how other things play out first and then revisit this if the season is still playing out well.

[8305]

John Hollinger has an article on the Athletic discussing the unusual situation the Pacers have with Myles and the possibility of renegotiating his 22/23 contract and extending from there. He sees it as a likely best play for both sides. Also speculates that it won’t be settled until the trade deadline. Makes sense for the Pacers to give the league the opportunity to overpay for Myles. If that doesn’t happen Myles looks like he is having fun with this team. If we are willing to pay him now?

[Scoot McGroot]

John Hollinger has an article on the Athletic discussing the unusual situation the Pacers have with Myles and the possibility of renegotiating his 22/23 contract and extending from there. He sees it as a likely best play for both sides. Also speculates that it won’t be settled until the trade deadline. Makes sense for the Pacers to give the league the opportunity to overpay for Myles. If that doesn’t happen Myles looks like he is having fun with this team. If we are willing to pay him now?

I think the question has to be raised: Does Myles want to stay here?

Sure, Indy can offer him the most money, now or in the offseason. He's proven to be a really good fit with Haliburton, which was allegedly one of the last hangups on the Pacers being willing to extend him in the offseason. In theory, you can renegotiate him until February 28, but are you willing to keep him past the deadline, and risk him walking for nothing in an offseason where almost half the league will have enough cap space to make him a respectable offer? And, if he's not willing to extend by the trade deadline, why would we assume he'll just re-sign in the offseason?

[Wizop]

John Hollinger has an article on the Athletic discussing the unusual situation the Pacers have with Myles and the possibility of renegotiating his 22/23 contract and extending from there. He sees it as a likely best play for both sides. Also speculates that it won’t be settled until the trade deadline. Makes sense for the Pacers to give the league the opportunity to overpay for Myles. If that doesn’t happen Myles looks like he is having fun with this team. If we are willing to pay him now?

I think the question has to be raised: Does Myles want to stay here?

Sure, Indy can offer him the most money, now or in the offseason. He's proven to be a really good fit with Haliburton, which was allegedly one of the last hangups on the Pacers being willing to extend him in the offseason. In theory, you can renegotiate him until February 28, but are you willing to keep him past the deadline, and risk him walking for nothing in an offseason where almost half the league will have enough cap space to make him a respectable offer? And, if he's not willing to extend by the trade deadline, why would we assume he'll just re-sign in the offseason?

My question would be whether he insists on seeing what other offers are out there before signing.

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