Luis Scola Trade

Post #121 » by **Nuntius** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:28 pm

I am sooo glad that Miles had an amazing game in Phoenix. Wish him all the best

jcsunsfan · Post #122 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:35 pm

jowglenn wrote:Can we start a running Miles Plumlee Watch thread? I'm a little worried now... if Plumlee explodes and Scola underwhelms.... then that might turn out to have been a horrid trade.

There is always this chance. But remember this (and coming from a Suns fan no less), when you get into the playoffs, there is nothing like having a crafty older vet like Scola on your roster. If Plumlee was playing for you, he would still be buried behind Hibbert. I still think this was a good trade for both teams.

Fans always want to "win" every trade, but the real test is whether you are a better team after the trade than you were before--not whether one player is better than another.

Post #123 » by **Grang33r** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 3:14 am

Plumlee Watch: 4pts, 6reb, 2blks early on.

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Post #124 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 4:47 am

I watched a bit of the Suns game tonight and Plumlee looked good. No clue why he never looked like that in summer league or preseason games. It would have been nice to keep him and trade Ian if he could've played like that for us, but I'm not worried about him blowing up. He's playing on a bad team that has no one else to grab boards (Markief Morris plays the 4) and he doesn't have any pressure on him there.

If anything, I'd still be more worried about the 2014 pick than Plumlee becoming something.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #125 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:03 am

I'm a little surprised he couldn't get some minutes last year. His numbers are obviously inflated after two games but he looks like a guys who's worse case is a birdman type athletic big.

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Post #126 » by **Nuntius** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:16 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Fans always want to "win" every trade, but the real test is whether you are a better team after the trade than you were before--not whether one player is better than another.

Exactly.

Post #127 » by **Nuntius** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:21 am

pacers33granger wrote:I watched a bit of the Suns game tonight and Plumlee looked good. No clue why he never looked like that in summer league or preseason games.

He did. He had several amazing games in Summer League. He had a 16 points, 15 rebounds game against the Philly (tied the Orlando SL record for rebounds) and a 9 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocks (again, Orlando SL record), 3 assists and 2 steals game against OKC.

He has produced any time that he played ever since he became a Pacer.

ray ray · Post #128 » by **ray ray** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:39 am

Plumlee had 13 points 13 rebounds and 3 blocks.. Great situation for him here in Phx.

Post #129 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 10:19 pm

Nuntius wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:I watched a bit of the Suns game tonight and Plumlee looked good. No clue why he never looked like that in summer league or preseason games.

He did. He had several amazing games in Summer League. He had a 16 points, 15 rebounds game against the Philly (tied the Orlando SL record for rebounds) and a 9 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocks (again, Orlando SL record), 3 assists and 2 steals game against OKC.

He has produced any time that he played ever since he became a Pacer.

He got some decent statlines a few times, but he always had a lot of issues with fundamentals. Maybe he just needed a couple years of NBA teaching to get it and the Suns are just reaping all the benefits of 2 years with Vogel and his staff, but based only on his play in the summer leagues and preseason, I would've been surprised if we picked up his option if we had kept him.

Post #130 » by **Nuntius** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 11:10 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:I watched a bit of the Suns game tonight and Plumlee looked good. No clue why he never looked like that in summer league or preseason games.

He did. He had several amazing games in Summer League. He had a 16 points, 15 rebounds game against the Philly (tied the Orlando SL record for rebounds) and a 9 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocks (again, Orlando SL record), 3 assists and 2 steals game against OKC.

He has produced any time that he played ever since he became a Pacer.

He got some decent statlines a few times, but he always had a lot of issues with fundamentals. Maybe he just needed a couple years of NBA teaching to get it and the Suns are just reaping all the benefits of 2 years with Vogel and his staff, but based only on his play in the summer leagues and preseason, I would've been surprised if we picked up his option if we had kept him.

I disagree that he looked to have issues with fundamentals. He looked solid to me.

PS: We only had him 1 year, not 2

Post #131 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Nov 2, 2013 11:44 pm

Nuntius wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:I watched a bit of the Suns game tonight and Plumlee looked good. No clue why he never looked like that in summer league or preseason games.

He did. He had several amazing games in Summer League. He had a 16 points, 15 rebounds game against the Philly (tied the Orlando SL record for rebounds) and a 9 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocks (again, Orlando SL record), 3 assists and 2 steals game against OKC.

He has produced any time that he played ever since he became a Pacer.

It took him around 40-45 minutes per game to get those stats, and he could rebound, but simply couldn't defend as well as Ian off the bench. He certainly looks to be an NBA player, but how much remains to be seen, especially until he plays with another big man.

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Post #132 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 12:22 am

Nuntius wrote:
PS: We only had him 1 year, not 2

I was using 2 since he still played summer league for us this past summer.

Post #133 » by **Nuntius** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 1:01 am

pacers33granger wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
PS: We only had him 1 year, not 2

I was using 2 since he still played summer league for us this past summer.

Fair enough then. I was taking training camp into account which is why I said one.

Post #134 » by **Nuntius** » Sun Nov 3, 2013 1:02 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:I watched a bit of the Suns game tonight and Plumlee looked good. No clue why he never looked like that in summer league or preseason games.

He did. He had several amazing games in Summer League. He had a 16 points, 15 rebounds game against the Philly (tied the Orlando SL record for rebounds) and a 9 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocks (again, Orlando SL record), 3 assists and 2 steals game against OKC.

He has produced any time that he played ever since he became a Pacer.

It took him around 40-45 minutes per game to get those stats, and he could rebound, but simply couldn't defend as well as Ian off the bench. He certainly looks to be an NBA player, but how much remains to be seen, especially until he plays with another big man.

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I agree that Ian's D is very good but Miles has been defending very well too in the first two games.

Post #135 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 3:42 am

Nuntius wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
He did. He had several amazing games in Summer League. He had a 16 points, 15 rebounds game against the Philly (tied the Orlando SL record for rebounds) and a 9 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocks (again, Orlando SL record), 3 assists and 2 steals game against OKC.

He has produced any time that he played ever since he became a Pacer.

It took him around 40-45 minutes per game to get those stats, and he could rebound, but simply couldn't defend as well as Ian off the bench. He certainly looks to be an NBA player, but how much remains to be seen, especially until he plays with another big man.

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I agree that Ian's D is very good but Miles has been defending very well too in the first two games.

Maybe he is now, but he just wasn't last year, and he wasn't setting himself apart in the D League, or tremendously in summer league, either. At the time, it made complete sense to dump him at the time.

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Wizop · Post #136 » by **Wizop** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 4:32 pm

I don't think we dumped him in the sense that we didn't think he could play. we wanted Scola and basically gave up two first round picks to get him - 2012's and 2014's. the players taken with those picks may turn out to be very good for a very long time but if Scola takes us to the finals this year the high price will be worth it.

Post #137 » by **Grang33r** » Mon Nov 4, 2013 6:19 pm

Wizop wrote:I don't think we dumped him in the sense that we didn't think he could play. we wanted Scola and basically gave up two first round picks to get him - 2012's and 2014's. the players taken with those picks may turn out to be very good for a very long time but if Scola takes us to the finals this year the high price will be worth it.

Exactly. I never really understood the perseption that a team must win a trade. Why can't both teams have success in a trade? Plumlee looks like a good future part for the Suns as they begin their long road of rebuilding with Bledsoe and draft picks, and we're in the win now mode and Scola could really change a series for us (hopefully) later on.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #138 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Tue Nov 5, 2013 2:36 pm

Grang33r wrote:
Wizop wrote:I don't think we dumped him in the sense that we didn't think he could play. we wanted Scola and basically gave up two first round picks to get him - 2012's and 2014's. the players taken with those picks may turn out to be very good for a very long time but if Scola takes us to the finals this year the high price will be worth it.

Exactly. I never really understood the perseption that a team must win a trade. Why can't both teams have success in a trade? Plumlee looks like a good future part for the Suns as they begin their long road of rebuilding with Bledsoe and draft picks, and we're in the win now mode and Scola could really change a series for us (hopefully) later on.

Oh shnap!

jcsunsfan · Post #139 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 5:47 pm

Plumlee with 18 and 11 last night. Nice defensive presence too. We are really pleasantly surprised by Green. I thought he was a throw in, but he has been an efficient scorer/shooter so far. I suppose that might change. You have to wonder how many other players are out there in this league sitting on the end of a bench that could be really productive given minutes.

That trade has really worked out well for the Suns. Honestly, we are sincerely hoping that Scola proves productive for you. He was well-liked in his short time here.

Post #140 » by **Nuntius** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:16 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Plumlee with 18 and 11 last night. Nice defensive presence too. We are really pleasantly surprised by Green. I thought he was a throw in, but he has been an efficient scorer/shooter so far. I suppose that might change. You have to wonder how many other players are out there in this league sitting on the end of a bench that could be really productive given minutes.

That trade has really worked out well for the Suns. Honestly, we are sincerely hoping that Scola proves productive for you. He was well-liked in his short time here.

I'm glad that it has worked out well for you. It has worked nicely for us as well. Scola was big in the Chicago game and he has been an important part of our team so far. So far so good for both of us