Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread

[Scoot McGroot]

I love love love fake trades but neither Ingram or Fox are realistic targets.

I think moving Turner requires too many moving parts for a deal since we are very much win now.

I would love to move a player or player(s) for some of the Suns picks but not sure anyone on your team is worthwhile for them or are players we would be willing to move on from.

My feint hope is that if Ryan Dunn ends up moved in a Butler and/or Beal trade that we can jump in and acquire him somehow.

To me, that’s kind of the extent of our trade deadline deal size. We might see a deal of Nesmith or Obi size, but I can’t imagine we make a major deal. I don’t think we need to?

I really can’t see the Suns letting go of Ryan Dunn.

Agreed. They shouldn’t. Just saying, if somehow he shakes loose, that’s a piece to chase.

[ILOVEIT]

Warrior fan here. You guys interested in acquiring Kuminga in a trade for Turner? It would effectively be a player for player swap with a role player salary attached from Warriors to match $.

[Wizop]

Warrior fan here. You guys interested in acquiring Kuminga in a trade for Turner? It would effectively be a player for player swap with a role player salary attached from Warriors to match $.

I don't expect a Turner trade at the deadline. A sign and trade next summer is possible if we can't find another way to avoid tax

[basketballwacko2]

Warrior fan here. You guys interested in acquiring Kuminga in a trade for Turner? It would effectively be a player for player swap with a role player salary attached from Warriors to match $.

I don't expect a Turner trade at the deadline. A sign and trade next summer is possible if we can't find another way to avoid tax

There are a lot of rumors about the Pacers trading, seems they almost all include Turner one I saw was the Pacer and the Lakers Turner for Hachimura and JHS and a 2029 and 2031 #1 pick.

[Wizop]

Warrior fan here. You guys interested in acquiring Kuminga in a trade for Turner? It would effectively be a player for player swap with a role player salary attached from Warriors to match $.

I don't expect a Turner trade at the deadline. A sign and trade next summer is possible if we can't find another way to avoid tax

There are a lot of rumors about the Pacers trading, seems they almost all include Turner one I saw was the Pacer and the Lakers Turner for Hachimura and JHS and a 2029 and 2031 #1 pick.

If the checker is right, a pacer-warriors trade is almost impossible as both teams need to shed salary

[Scoot McGroot]

Warrior fan here. You guys interested in acquiring Kuminga in a trade for Turner? It would effectively be a player for player swap with a role player salary attached from Warriors to match $.

Nope. We only have Turner and Thomas Bryant at center. We have Siakam, Walker, and Toppin at the 4, and a ton of guys to play at the 3. And, if we deal Turner because we’re uncomfortable risking the tax, why would we trade for a guy in the exact same salary situation? And even if we got a looney and another useful 5 back, it doesn’t help that our offensive system is predicated on centers that stretch the floor so that Siakam can operate in the high post with everyone else flying around.

But also, keep in mind, there’s no reports Indy is unwilling to pay Turner. The reports are from Jovan Buha that the Lakers front office wonders if Indy would be unwilling to pay Turner $30m a year.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Woike of the LATimes reporting LA interest in Mathurin, but Indy would likely expect a good player and a 1st. But doesn’t seem like he’s reporting anything specifically happening or being discussed either.

[JMaster5K]

Warrior fan here. You guys interested in acquiring Kuminga in a trade for Turner? It would effectively be a player for player swap with a role player salary attached from Warriors to match $.

Nope. We only have Turner and Thomas Bryant at center. We have Siakam, Walker, and Toppin at the 4, and a ton of guys to play at the 3. And, if we deal Turner because we’re uncomfortable risking the tax, why would we trade for a guy in the exact same salary situation? And even if we got a looney and another useful 5 back, it doesn’t help that our offensive system is predicated on centers that stretch the floor so that Siakam can operate in the high post with everyone else flying around.

But also, keep in mind, there’s no reports Indy is unwilling to pay Turner. The reports are from Jovan Buha that the Lakers front office wonders if Indy would be unwilling to pay Turner $30m a year.

+1000

Thanks to learning from previous post by our own Mr. McGroot,... I went back through the links on the stories this morning to see where some of the 'insight' was originating,... It all went back to that comment by Buha, that was taken from an article in the LA paper (Article was about AD's comments on Lakers needed a Center, what the Center Market currently looks like, & where they could get one), where an 'unnamed exec' was pondering the 'what if's',.. on IF the Pacers would trade Myles, because that Exec - with no input from the Pacers FO, wondered if the Pacers were willing to pay Turner 30Mil/year.

Lots of speculation,... very little fact.

However,... the one thing the article did highlight,.. was the current lack of availability of 'starting caliber centers' in the trade & FA market, and the value point for starting 5's moving forward being around that 30M a year mark. (It doesn't seem like it because some of the starting 5's are already on older contracts that reflect the market when they signed.)

I know my vote doesn't count,... but I would rather just keep Myles,.. pay some tax,... keep on winning with FUN basketball & worry about the end of the universe when it gets here,.....

[Wizop]

I know my vote doesn't count,... but I would rather just keep Myles,.. pay some tax,... keep on winning with FUN basketball & worry about the end of the universe when it gets here,.....

I'm for keeping Myles but I expect a move to give up some depth to avoid paying tax.

[JMaster5K]

I know my vote doesn't count,... but I would rather just keep Myles,.. pay some tax,... keep on winning with FUN basketball & worry about the end of the universe when it gets here,.....

I'm for keeping Myles but I expect a move to give up some depth to avoid paying tax.

I'm with you,... expecting that move to happen,... but I wouldn't be too surprised if it didn't. The tax after this season (again as Scoot has pointed out,.. at least 2x) isn't nearly as bad as it has been. Also, if I look back at the teams that Mr. Simon did pay the tax to keep together,... they were all contenders,.. or maybe clearly going to be that next year? Granted, historically,.. we don't pay the tax.

If this team pulls this season together,... and we once again are in the ECF? or the EC final four,... with the look of a team that is going to keep contending,... then I'm convinced Mr. Simon would go for it. (This wouldn't be the first time I was wrong,.... - LOL )



Scoot's other relevant point, about staying out of the tax this year because the size of the payments the non-tax teams will receive, also seems to support the idea? We ride with Myles,... cash the tax check from the league,... resign him in the open market,.. for market value,... and go into the tax for next year,... IF the teams shows it's ready.; (If I am remembering all the timing right - again,.. wouldn't be the second time I was wrong either.)

Having said all that,... I have to agree with you,... there are valuable players on the Pacers, that might have even more value to other teams? That could be moved to lower any future tax bill or avoid it in the short run. IMO a couple of those players have reached their ceiling with the Pacers,... but maybe not their ceiling as players? again, IMO, I think this is the most likely route forward,....

But in both those paths,... I don't think we trade, or replace Myles unless he gets an untouchable offer? Replacing him with someone who can play his minutes, with his consistency (yes,.. I said that about Myles), who fits this team,... would (again, again, IMO) be even more expensive than keeping him? Now,.. if the FO & Coaches want to take a step back,... lose a few more games next year, grow the team with a younger core,... then Yeah,... I can see the logic. I just can't see taking that approach after acquiring Pascal?

Anyway,... Really appreciate you man,... and the good conversations!! Sorry if this is a bit terse,.. in a hurry, but wanted to keep the discourse going,... LOL

Go Pacers!

[Wizop]

We paid the tax to allow Reggie to finish his career here. I can see Myles getting the same respect, but we're very deep so if I had to bet I'd bet on a money saving move next summer.

[basketballwacko2]

I know my vote doesn't count,... but I would rather just keep Myles,.. pay some tax,... keep on winning with FUN basketball & worry about the end of the universe when it gets here,.....

It's not just a matter of "pay some tax." Non-taxpaying teams get a rebate from the NBA from the tax paid by the "taxpaying" teams, this plus the tax paid could be $25 million or more.

[basketballwacko2]

I don't expect a Turner trade at the deadline. A sign and trade next summer is possible if we can't find another way to avoid tax

There are a lot of rumors about the Pacers trading, seems they almost all include Turner one I saw was the Pacer and the Lakers Turner for Hachimura and JHS and a 2029 and 2031 #1 pick.

If the checker is right, a pacer-warriors trade is almost impossible as both teams need to shed salary

Yeah the Warriors trade would be very hard to do. Lakers trade could be done if a 2nd trade was done to get another center.

I can't see the Pacers trading Turner now since he's playing so well. But if they think he's gonna leave getting 2 #1's years after LBJ is gone is kind of attractive.

[JMaster5K]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278986/Pacers-Will-Only-Consider-Myles-Turner-Trade-If-Starting-Caliber-Center-Acquired-In-Return

'The Indiana Pacers are receiving significant trade interest in Myles Turner ahead of the February 6th NBA trade deadline, but sources tell Marc Stein that the team does not want to move him.'

'Turner is averaging 15.6 points, 6.8 rebounds, 1.5 assists and 1.9 blocks in 31.1 minutes over 31.1 minutes this season. Turner is also shooting 40.0 percent on 5.2 three-point attempts per game.

Because of salary cap concerns, the Pacers could consider trading away one of their surplus wings to better position themselves to re-sign Turner in the offseason.

Marc Stein/The Stein Line'

Sounds a whole bunch like what this forum has been saying for weeks,.. LOL =]

[JMaster5K]

I know my vote doesn't count,... but I would rather just keep Myles,.. pay some tax,... keep on winning with FUN basketball & worry about the end of the universe when it gets here,.....

It's not just a matter of "pay some tax." Non-taxpaying teams get a rebate from the NBA from the tax paid by the "taxpaying" teams, this plus the tax paid could be $25 million or more.

I do understand the basics of how the tax works,... =]

From Scoots post last week:

And remember, this year will be specifically important to stay under the tax, as the distribution payment could be close to $20m PER TEAM under the luxury tax this year. So, going from $1 under the tax to $1 over the tax could cost Indy more than $20m extra.

The other good news is that, starting next cap year, the two lowest brackets of the luxury tax will get much cheaper. Instead of $1.50-$1 and $1.75-$1 penalties for the first two brackets, they'll dip to just $1-$1 and $1.25-$1 for the first two brackets (which the first two luxury tax brackets are no longer $1-$5m over and $5-$10m over the tax, but will be more like $1-$5.7m and $5.7m-$11m, as they now rise at the rate of rise in the salary cap).

This is what I was referring to in the comments above,... we don't want to pay tax this year because of the substantial gains in play. We might be ok to 'pay some tax' next year, after signing Myles, because the tax regime won't be as bad as it this year.

This could make trading Myles a bit more difficult, as we really need a starting 5 coming back,.. and they are not cheap. Can't go into the tax this year,... which puts us in line to resign Myles in the offseason, for something approaching market,... and potentially pay tax next year, when the tax brackets aren't as dramatic. =]

[JMaster5K]

We paid the tax to allow Reggie to finish his career here. I can see Myles getting the same respect, but we're very deep so if I had to bet I'd bet on a money saving move next summer.

I think you're right,.. there will be a money saving move at some point,... If we get the big wing that can defend in the draft,... then Yeah,... way too many wings,... that would give us enough depth to move OB1 or Aaron,... depending on who it is & how they look,.. maybe even both?

We still have our 25, 1st in the roster mix for next year. Though no 26 at this point.? =]

[boomershadow]

I quit paying attention tion to Turner trade rumors so many years ago.

[basketballwacko2]

I know my vote doesn't count,... but I would rather just keep Myles,.. pay some tax,... keep on winning with FUN basketball & worry about the end of the universe when it gets here,.....

It's not just a matter of "pay some tax." Non-taxpaying teams get a rebate from the NBA from the tax paid by the "taxpaying" teams, this plus the tax paid could be $25 million or more.

I do understand the basics of how the tax works,... =]

From Scoots post last week:

And remember, this year will be specifically important to stay under the tax, as the distribution payment could be close to $20m PER TEAM under the luxury tax this year. So, going from $1 under the tax to $1 over the tax could cost Indy more than $20m extra.

The other good news is that, starting next cap year, the two lowest brackets of the luxury tax will get much cheaper. Instead of $1.50-$1 and $1.75-$1 penalties for the first two brackets, they'll dip to just $1-$1 and $1.25-$1 for the first two brackets (which the first two luxury tax brackets are no longer $1-$5m over and $5-$10m over the tax, but will be more like $1-$5.7m and $5.7m-$11m, as they now rise at the rate of rise in the salary cap).

This is what I was referring to in the comments above,... we don't want to pay tax this year because of the substantial gains in play. We might be ok to 'pay some tax' next year, after signing Myles, because the tax regime won't be as bad as it this year.

This could make trading Myles a bit more difficult, as we really need a starting 5 coming back,.. and they are not cheap. Can't go into the tax this year,... which puts us in line to resign Myles in the offseason, for something approaching market,... and potentially pay tax next year, when the tax brackets aren't as dramatic. =]

Well I'd say the same thing holds true for 2025-26 staying out of the tax is very important unless the team is going to the finals. I don't know what the total tax is for the tax paying teams but it's a lot of money. Next season might be more than this year.

I'm pretty sure Turner will be resigned unless he just wants to go elsewhere, but I don't know what teams will have the money to just sign him out right. If he's signs I'm betting Obi Toppin is the guy who gets traded in the off season.

[Scoot McGroot]

https://open.substack.com/pub/yossigozlan/p/the-indiana-pacers-luxury-tax-dilemma?r=8vy5x&utm_medium=ios

Yossi Gozlan wrote on his Substack about the Pacers specific luxury tax issues. I was able to unlock it with my phone number and read it for free.

[JMaster5K]

Watch on YouTube

Pacers discussion starts at 1:05:54 with Myles & Moves into Benn's Value,... resigning Turner,... & potential for Moving OB1, and the value of Drew's contract. Ends at 1:09:22 without actually saying all that much..... =/