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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#141 » by Wizop » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:28 pm

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dalton749 wrote:How would pacers fans feel about this return.
I can't imagine we'd trade any of our starters for another team's backups.


Powell is clearly a starting level player. 19/4/2 on 63 ts% (31 mpg) in 26 games as a starter last year. He’s been stuck behind derozan, Danny green and then van vleet last year due to contract politics. He’s earned a starting spot somewhere.
And yet you must think Oladipo is better or you wouldn't be trying to make this deal. Maybe I should've just said we want to see what Nate can do with current roster.

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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#142 » by dalton749 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:45 pm

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Wizop wrote:I can't imagine we'd trade any of our starters for another team's backups.


Powell is clearly a starting level player. 19/4/2 on 63 ts% (31 mpg) in 26 games as a starter last year. He’s been stuck behind derozan, Danny green and then van vleet last year due to contract politics. He’s earned a starting spot somewhere.
And yet you must think Oladipo is better or you wouldn't be trying to make this deal. Maybe I should've just said we want to see what Nate can do with current roster.

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That’s fair. I think Oladipo is better at creating offense which Toronto needs where as Powell is a better off ball player and is probably the safer bet to have a better season next year with Oladipo’s injury concerns.

I also believe oladipo is a bigger draw to other star free agents next offseason and would be willing to take the gamble with his expiring contract to see how he bounces back. On the other hand, I think if Powell were given a starting job next year then there would be no issues resigning him without requiring a max contract to do so.

This was part of another deal I had with Lowry going to philly as I’d like to see Toronto shake things up next year and get younger.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#143 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:57 pm

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dalton749 wrote:How would pacers fans feel about this return.
I can't imagine we'd trade any of our starters for another team's backups.


Powell is clearly a starting level player. 19/4/2 on 63 ts% (31 mpg) in 26 games as a starter last year. He’s been stuck behind derozan, Danny green and then van vleet last year due to contract politics. He’s earned a starting spot somewhere.


He's a fine enough player, but players also generally put up higher stats when starting as they get more minutes as a result. He may have earned a starting spot somewhere, but he'll likely be one of those guys that will eternally be questioned of whether they're more of a first guard off the bench or starting material. I mean, you wouldn't trade him if that wasn't the question.

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Powell is clearly a starting level player. 19/4/2 on 63 ts% (31 mpg) in 26 games as a starter last year. He’s been stuck behind derozan, Danny green and then van vleet last year due to contract politics. He’s earned a starting spot somewhere.
And yet you must think Oladipo is better or you wouldn't be trying to make this deal. Maybe I should've just said we want to see what Nate can do with current roster.

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That’s fair. I think Oladipo is better at creating offense which Toronto needs where as Powell is a better off ball player and is probably the safer bet to have a better season next year with Oladipo’s injury concerns.

I also believe oladipo is a bigger draw to other star free agents next offseason and would be willing to take the gamble with his expiring contract to see how he bounces back. On the other hand, I think if Powell were given a starting job next year then there would be no issues resigning him without requiring a max contract to do so.

This was part of another deal I had with Lowry going to philly as I’d like to see Toronto shake things up next year and get younger.


For all the same reason you want Oladipo, we would too. We would probably prefer someone better at creating offense, since Warren is the only other real offensive creator on the wing on the roster. Brogdon is fine, but he's not a dynamic creator. Sabonis is a great creator, but more off of the pivot and elbows.

And, the issues re-signing Oladipo and Powell are directly correlated with whatever the player is likely to be. Oladipo isn't a problem to re-sign if he's a max player, because he'll have earned it. Powell may be a problem to re-sign as he hasn't had a huge money deal yet, and he'll need every dime he can get, whether or not he's earned it. I largely see the same issues between the two players in that regard, but Oladipo projects as the better player while Powell may be the better shooter. If you could combine Thybulle and Powell into one body, we'd have something, but as is, it's not terribly interesting at this moment.

But realistically, no, I don't see any major movements this offseason after hearing the intro press conferences. Sounds like the hire was made with the plans to build around the current roster.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#144 » by Wizop » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:01 am

dalton749 wrote:That’s fair. I think Oladipo is better at creating offense which Toronto needs where as Powell is a better off ball player.
Brogdon, Lamb, McDermott, and both Holidays can play off the ball and defend twos. If you want a cheap creator, you might offer a backup 4 for McConnell. He's a sparkplug creator but is not a long range shooter and that might be a problem for Nate.

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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#145 » by OnFire » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:51 am

Hearing rumors Demar DeRozan wants out of SA. If we could flip Vic into DD, I think that's a homerun. 8-)
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#146 » by MUpacersSIC » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:03 pm

OnFire wrote:Hearing rumors Demar DeRozan wants out of SA. If we could flip Vic into DD, I think that's a homerun. 8-)


That would be my nightmare. I don’t want a guy who no one else wants that is past his prime.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#147 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:04 pm

OnFire wrote:Hearing rumors Demar DeRozan wants out of SA. If we could flip Vic into DD, I think that's a homerun. 8-)



He’s expiring, but I think that’s the kind of deal that kills our team and momentum. DeRozan can get to the free throw line and hit some mid range, but he’s low efficiency and ball dominant, and he’s not a talent or worker defensively. If we start Brogdon/DeRozan/Warren, we have no one to guard small or quick guards in the lineup.

If Oladipo goes, I’d be looking for long term value and getting off of Lamb’s money, probably. Think picks or a long term signed guy that fits. Oladipo and Sabonis were the kind of long term assets when we acquired them as both were signed for 3 years when we got them. DeRozan is expiring and not really a good fit for anything that Bjorkgren espoused he wants to do in his press conference.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#148 » by Boneman2 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm

Nobody really knows the direction Pritchard will choose. Seriously, no rumors about Bjorkgren at all. As far as Dipo, it would be ideal to turn him into a promising prospect or two still on rookie deals.

What will it take to re-sign TJ Warren? While everyone is focusing on Victor should we be more worried about re-signing TJ?

@Scoot, would re-signing Victor make it impossible to re-sign TJ next offseason? I'm thinking it is one or the other but I could be wrong.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#149 » by pacers33granger » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:07 pm

Boneman2 wrote:Nobody really knows the direction Pritchard will choose. Seriously, no rumors about Bjorkgren at all. As far as Dipo, it would be ideal to turn him into a promising prospect or two still on rookie deals.

What will it take to re-sign TJ Warren? While everyone is focusing on Victor should we be more worried about re-signing TJ?

@Scoot, would re-signing Victor make it impossible to re-sign TJ next offseason? I'm thinking it is one or the other but I could be wrong.


TJ is signed through 21-22. So we have him for 2 more seasons before having to re-sign him.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#150 » by Boneman2 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:22 pm

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Boneman2 wrote:Nobody really knows the direction Pritchard will choose. Seriously, no rumors about Bjorkgren at all. As far as Dipo, it would be ideal to turn him into a promising prospect or two still on rookie deals.

What will it take to re-sign TJ Warren? While everyone is focusing on Victor should we be more worried about re-signing TJ?

@Scoot, would re-signing Victor make it impossible to re-sign TJ next offseason? I'm thinking it is one or the other but I could be wrong.


TJ is signed through 21-22. So we have him for 2 more seasons before having to re-sign him.


I am getting ahead of myself lol. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see him extended next season as it seems to be a part of Pritchard's tactical approach as opposed to letting guys test the market.

I guess there would be enough time to flip Victor either way, thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#151 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:42 pm

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Boneman2 wrote:Nobody really knows the direction Pritchard will choose. Seriously, no rumors about Bjorkgren at all. As far as Dipo, it would be ideal to turn him into a promising prospect or two still on rookie deals.

What will it take to re-sign TJ Warren? While everyone is focusing on Victor should we be more worried about re-signing TJ?

@Scoot, would re-signing Victor make it impossible to re-sign TJ next offseason? I'm thinking it is one or the other but I could be wrong.


TJ is signed through 21-22. So we have him for 2 more seasons before having to re-sign him.


I am getting ahead of myself lol. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see him extended next season as it seems to be a part of Pritchard's tactical approach as opposed to letting guys test the market.

I guess there would be enough time to flip Victor either way, thanks for the heads up.


He also expires the same year that Jeremy Lamb does, so that would clear up some other space. And since we have Myles/Dom on flat contracts instead of ascending deals, it's a bit easier to plan around.

Anything as to that far out depends so heavily on what we do with our MLE this year, what trades we might make, etc. And, until we start getting real news on what they're doing with this year's cap/tax, and when we might see things go back to normal, it's darned near impossible to project cap/tax lines going out 2-3 years into the future.
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#152 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 pm

Listening to Zach Lowe’s podcast with Bobby Marks and they think that Oladipo and the Pacers will eventually get back to the negotiating table and work out a deal, with Marks thinking it’s the full max extension of 4/113, and Lowe saying if that’s offered, Oladipo and his agent should sign it immediately, where he’s limited to the 20% raise from this years salary.

I don’t know that I fully agree with this. I think he goes to free agency and shops around, but so did Reggie back in the day (he even met with the Knicks!).
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Post#153 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:31 pm

Also, Zach hints that the Hayward stuff is more that something is happening behind the scenes with Hayward in Boston.
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Post#154 » by pacers33granger » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:35 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Also, Zach hints that the Hayward stuff is more that something is happening behind the scenes with Hayward in Boston.


I think the fact that he's been, at best, the 4th option and asked to sacrifice for the team has gotten lost with the fact that he and Stevens are close. I'm sure he still sees himself as a major player and he's unfortunately a high level role player on that team.

Honestly it may be a blessing in disguise for Boston. He doesn't fit their timeline that well and his skillset overlaps with their young talent. I'm skeptical any team treats him as positive value if he opts in though.
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Post#155 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:44 pm

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Scoot McGroot wrote:Also, Zach hints that the Hayward stuff is more that something is happening behind the scenes with Hayward in Boston.


I think the fact that he's been, at best, the 4th option and asked to sacrifice for the team has gotten lost with the fact that he and Stevens are close. I'm sure he still sees himself as a major player and he's unfortunately a high level role player on that team.

Honestly it may be a blessing in disguise for Boston. He doesn't fit their timeline that well and his skillset overlaps with their young talent. I'm skeptical any team treats him as positive value if he opts in though.



I think it’s nearly inevitable that Boston can’t resign him after the year and is hoping to split him into two pieces (where they can keep one long term) or get a pick back for cost control. But with Tatums extension in another year, they’re looking at a core of Kemba, Smart, Brown, and Tatum already at about $110m by themselves. If Hayward re ups at anything over $15m and they’re seriously capping themselves out, and that’s a franchise that really doesn’t pay the tax all that often (they did for the KG/Pierce championship runs) or for all that much money (6 or 7 times total for around $43m total in over 20 years of luxury tax history).
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Post#156 » by Topofthekey » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:27 am

Also, depending on what Marcus Smart feels like he should be worth, this time next year we could see Celtics trying to trade Smart for value before he leaves via free agency

Not that I'm advocating for Pacers to target Smart, just making the observation that when it comes to player salaries, Celtics are in a tough situation, at least for the duration of Kemba's contract

Due to how much they are paying Kemba, them not being able to pay Hayward is almost a foregone conclusion, and Smart could be the next casualty after that

Really gives you an appreciation for how valuable Domas and Myles' relatively cheap extensions are. If Warren continues to play well and KP can replicate the same thing with him, that'll be a bullseye
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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#157 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:00 pm

Soon to be on the Wiretap:

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Indiana guard Victor Oladipo: A source said Oladipo likes Indiana and would be happy staying there with a big new contract, but that if he were to leave, Miami would be No. 1 on his list.

But Heat interest will depend entirely on how he plays next season and Miami’s success in trying to lure a bigger fish.

Indiana could trade him over the next year - rather than lose him for nothing - but it’s doubtful Miami would sacrifice major assets for Oladipo in a trade, partly because nobody knows if he will return to his former All Star form.

A rusty Oladipo averaged just 14.5 points per game and shot 31.7 percent from threes in 19 regular-season games, then played better against Miami in the playoffs, after returning from his ruptured quad tendon in January 2019.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article246410280.html#storylink=cpy
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Post#158 » by pacers33granger » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:06 pm

That kind of implies a new angle to all of this. It's always been "Vic wants out" but maybe it's more "Indy may not be willing to pay what someone else may." Which is reasonable as, though we all love Vic, a big deal could set the franchise back unfortunately.

I know it was kind of out there with the "low-ball" extension but that's always been people who didn't understand we were capped at what we could offer.
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Post#159 » by Jake0890 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:05 am

Well, here's something...

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I'm assuming we'd have to get Bledsoe back in a trade (or at the very least he'd be going to a 3rd team)...
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Post#160 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:34 am

Milwaukee can trade back our 1st this year, and the next tradeable first is 2024 (but could be pushed back to 2025 or 2026 depending on protections on their 2022 1st owed to Cleveland.

Otherwise, Donte Divincenzo is their only rookie contract guy of interest.

In terms of salary matching, they would have a lot of expiring money. George Hill and Ersan Ilyasova make enough to work legally.

Or, something bigger around Middleton?

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