2021 Free Agency & Off-season

[Wizop]

At this point, I'm quite ready to grossly overpay for a consolidation trade, if there is an opportunity for one

The roster will still have 15 players. You can turn our third unit into a second unit but a new third unit will be filled. Only the names of the players who rarely get off the bench will change.

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[Scoot McGroot]

At this point, I'm quite ready to grossly overpay for a consolidation trade, if there is an opportunity for one

The roster will still have 15 players. You can turn our third unit into a second unit but a new third unit will be filled. Only the names of the players who rarely get off the bench will change.

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Yup. And I’ve watched the Pacers long enough that I’ve craved a deep bench like this for a long time. And with our starting lineup that has all historically missed a good amount of games a year, it’s good to have the guys to fill in. If we don’t play Justin as the backup 4, there’s a good amount of minutes for Brissett and Goga. With the costs dictating that probably only Doug or TJ return, but not both, that opens up minutes fir a lot of other guys, too. Add in an occasional sprained ankle, and I think it’ll all turn out ok. Also, don’t play guys 37 minutes a night too

[Topofthekey]

At this point, I'm quite ready to grossly overpay for a consolidation trade, if there is an opportunity for one

The roster will still have 15 players. You can turn our third unit into a second unit but a new third unit will be filled. Only the names of the players who rarely get off the bench will change.

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I don't mind guys like Jakaar Sampson or Bruce Bowen being players 10 to 15

Goga, Brissett, Sumner, and Aaron are wasted if they get stashed in the 3rd unit

[Scoot McGroot]

At this point, I'm quite ready to grossly overpay for a consolidation trade, if there is an opportunity for one

The roster will still have 15 players. You can turn our third unit into a second unit but a new third unit will be filled. Only the names of the players who rarely get off the bench will change.

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I don't mind guys like Jakaar Sampson or Bruce Bowen being players 10 to 15

Goga, Brissett, Sumner, and Aaron are wasted if they get stashed in the 3rd unit

Jakarr I get. But Bruce Bowen started largely every game he played for 8 of his last 9 years of his career and was a key contributor to championship teams. He wasn’t a deep bench guy. If you mean Bruce Brown, the active player, he’s a starter/key rotation player for Brooklyn, in the same vein as Ed Sumner for us (a multiple position defender).

[boomershadow]

The roster will still have 15 players. You can turn our third unit into a second unit but a new third unit will be filled. Only the names of the players who rarely get off the bench will change.

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I don't mind guys like Jakaar Sampson or Bruce Bowen being players 10 to 15

Goga, Brissett, Sumner, and Aaron are wasted if they get stashed in the 3rd unit

Jakarr I get. But Bruce Bowen started largely every game he played for 8 of his last 9 years of his career and was a key contributor to championship teams. He wasn’t a deep bench guy. If you mean Bruce Brown, the active player, he’s a starter/key rotation player for Brooklyn, in the same vein as Ed Sumner for us (a multiple position defender).

I believe he means Brian Bowen.

[Wizop]

At this point, I'm quite ready to grossly overpay for a consolidation trade, if there is an opportunity for one

The roster will still have 15 players. You can turn our third unit into a second unit but a new third unit will be filled. Only the names of the players who rarely get off the bench will change.

Sent from my phone.

I don't mind guys like Jakaar Sampson or Bruce Bowen being players 10 to 15

Goga, Brissett, Sumner, and Aaron are wasted if they get stashed in the 3rd unit

JaKarr okay as he's older. I don't see the point of paying young third unit players who lack potential. I'd rather pay a veteran whose time has past to be a leader and an emergency short minutes fill in.

There's a lot to be said for allowing your own players to move gracefully back to the end of the bench. Haslem in Miami is an example. Older folks will remember ML Carr waiving towels from the Celtics bench.

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[Scoot McGroot]

I don't mind guys like Jakaar Sampson or Bruce Bowen being players 10 to 15

Goga, Brissett, Sumner, and Aaron are wasted if they get stashed in the 3rd unit

Jakarr I get. But Bruce Bowen started largely every game he played for 8 of his last 9 years of his career and was a key contributor to championship teams. He wasn’t a deep bench guy. If you mean Bruce Brown, the active player, he’s a starter/key rotation player for Brooklyn, in the same vein as Ed Sumner for us (a multiple position defender).

I believe he means Brian Bowen.

Oh. Sure. But I guess the question is if he’s really an NBA caliber player? Any player you sign for the 10-15 roster spots should probably be someone who could contribute when called upon. Otherwise, a Brian Bowen would need development (which means playing time, and coaching staff focus). So, isn’t that the same we have now, but just a lesser talent/prospect?


My hope is that the expansion of the coaching staff and developmental staff that we’re seeing right now (as well as just much better coaches to fill those staffs) will help greatly, too.

[Topofthekey]

Jakarr I get. But Bruce Bowen started largely every game he played for 8 of his last 9 years of his career and was a key contributor to championship teams. He wasn’t a deep bench guy. If you mean Bruce Brown, the active player, he’s a starter/key rotation player for Brooklyn, in the same vein as Ed Sumner for us (a multiple position defender).

I believe he means Brian Bowen.

Oh. Sure. But I guess the question is if he’s really an NBA caliber player? Any player you sign for the 10-15 roster spots should probably be someone who could contribute when called upon. Otherwise, a Brian Bowen would need development (which means playing time, and coaching staff focus). So, isn’t that the same we have now, but just a lesser talent/prospect?


My hope is that the expansion of the coaching staff and developmental staff that we’re seeing right now (as well as just much better coaches to fill those staffs) will help greatly, too.

Yes, Brian Bowen

He's raw, but for someone who's only expected to play garbage minutes, as is the expectation for guys 10 to 15, I'm not complaining

And I realize I completely forgot about Kelan Martin when I did up the roster in my previous post, so now there's even more of a logjam

Now I think I'll do that overpay for Simmons even without any future picks coming back

[Scoot McGroot]

I believe he means Brian Bowen.

Oh. Sure. But I guess the question is if he’s really an NBA caliber player? Any player you sign for the 10-15 roster spots should probably be someone who could contribute when called upon. Otherwise, a Brian Bowen would need development (which means playing time, and coaching staff focus). So, isn’t that the same we have now, but just a lesser talent/prospect?


My hope is that the expansion of the coaching staff and developmental staff that we’re seeing right now (as well as just much better coaches to fill those staffs) will help greatly, too.

Yes, Brian Bowen

He's raw, but for someone who's only expected to play garbage minutes, as is the expectation for guys 10 to 15, I'm not complaining

And I realize I completely forgot about Kelan Martin when I did up the roster in my previous post, so now there's even more of a logjam

Now I think I'll do that overpay for Simmons even without any future picks coming back

I don’t think we’re in any position to make deliberate “overpays”. Moving guys is fine. Condensing the roster is fine. But overpaying on purpose because you’re worried about having too many decent to good players on the roster just seems wasteful in a way we can’t afford.

[Scoot McGroot]

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[Helsbyte]

We can consolidate our bench and address our needs at the same time without sacrificing our starting unit. A deal involvng Lamb, A. Holiday, #13 for Dejountey Murray for example will push Brogdon/Levert to the off guard and our perimeter defense greatly improves with Murray. Financially it works to by matching salaries. This type of move also allows us to move on from T.J Mc.

[Wizop]

We can consolidate our bench and address our needs at the same time without sacrificing our starting unit. A deal involvng Lamb, A. Holiday, #13 for Dejountey Murray for example will push Brogdon/Levert to the off guard and our perimeter defense greatly improves with Murray. Financially it works to by matching salaries. This type of move also allows us to move on from T.J Mc.

I hope we don't do anything like that although I'd certainly trade Aaron for whatever we can get. I'd also trade down for two firsts but we an discuss that in the draft thread.

[Helsbyte]

I don't know why you wouldn't want to make that type of trade. It literally consolidates 4 roster spots into 1 and into a better piece.

[Wizop]

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I don't know why you wouldn't want to make that type of trade. It literally consolidates 4 roster spots into 1 and into a better piece.

I'm just not a fan of consolidation. I like having a deep roster.

[Tom White]

I don't know why you wouldn't want to make that type of trade. It literally consolidates 4 roster spots into 1 and into a better piece.

If Murray is the "better piece" in this deal, why would San Antonio want to trade him to us? I just looked, and saw he started 67 games for them this past year. Why would they give this up for what you are offering? Also, aren't the salaries involved out-of-balance?

[Scoot McGroot]

We can consolidate our bench and address our needs at the same time without sacrificing our starting unit. A deal involvng Lamb, A. Holiday, #13 for Dejountey Murray for example will push Brogdon/Levert to the off guard and our perimeter defense greatly improves with Murray. Financially it works to by matching salaries. This type of move also allows us to move on from T.J Mc.

I’m ok with combining Lamb/Aaron into one guy. Combined, they make around $14.5m. The problem is, though, that combining into one guy means we’re either replacing that emptied roster spot with a vet minimum (around $1.7m against the cap/tax), or with Stanley ($1.445m), or even our late 2nd rounders (around $950k, but also with borderline roster-able/undrafted guys). Clearly, it’s a downgrade, which is fine if the upgrade is enough. But financially, it also costs us the ability to either re-sign a McConnell or McDermott, OR use the majority of the MLE. It’s very limiting. And when it comes down to it, I’m not comfortable dealing a lotto pick and it’s cost controlled contract for a 3rd guard that would force us to play multiple guys out of position to accommodate (or bring Murray off the bench).

[Helsbyte]

There was a report of SA looking to move on from Murray and White, now granted I am taking that with a grain of salt but if true then the 13th pick + salary would work. You would be bringing Levert off the bench in a 6th man role and starting Murray next to Brogdan. It has been stated before that Brogdon struggles against quicker point guards whereas Murray doesn't plus switching Brogdon to guard wing players plays to his strengths as well. Salary wise it works because you have T.J's and Doug"s salary coming off the books and we no longer have to account for the 13th pick salary. I personally would not resign Doug but have no problem if they did.
My rational for this is if we are committing to Sabonis then put the players around him to succeed with. He needs better defenders around him. Now i am not saying Murray is the answer but he is at least a step in the right direction.

[Helsbyte]

Murray Levert
Brogdon Sumner
Warren Holiday
Turner Brissett
Sabonis Goga


That would be our 10 deep with about 11M? salary left.

[Wizop]

It has been stated before that Brogdon struggles against quicker point guards

So dump Aaron and draft a top defender. I'm not for trading or demoting Brogdon or LeVert.

[Helsbyte]

"So dump Aaron and draft a top defender. I'm not for trading or demoting Brogdon or LeVert."

Is Levert going to 6th man a demotion? He is still playing 30 minutes a night and likely on the floor with Murray and Brogdon to close out games. Your logic seems flawed.