Training camp signings: MERGED

[Scoot McGroot]

some months ago I posted something on Draft Express questioning why Fair wasn't on their board. I like this signing a lot.

p.s. Scoot, I still think we have an open roster spot and can keep Fair without cutting Whittington.

Confirmed with Mark Deeks/Sham. 15 man limit. DPE is only a salary cap exception, not a roster limit exception.


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[Moooose]

Well it kinda looked like we've picked CJ Fair with our second round pick. Tough to believe this guy went undrafted, and probably a good catch for the Pacers IF he can prove that he can play the three.

He's a tweener to me, not that quick to defend the two's, and not that big to defend the three's. Smart player though, but I think we need more of a legit SF. I don't know if it is just me but I would like the Pacers to go for a banger, a bigger more physical SF.

[Scoot McGroot]

and yet there is a chart on cbafaq showing a 16 player limit with the active size reduced from 13 to 12. the stories in the Star sure had me thinking 16. I'll see if I can get an answer from a friendly reporter and if not nudge him to seek clarification from the team.

They'll need an answer from the team, and even then, Mark Deeks is likely more knowledgeable on the CBA than most any team employees, other than a few cap specialists around the league. He's right with Larry Coon in terms of CBA stuff.


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[Scoot McGroot]

and yet there is a chart on cbafaq showing a 16 player limit with the active size reduced from 13 to 12. the stories in the Star sure had me thinking 16. I'll see if I can get an answer from a friendly reporter and if not nudge him to seek clarification from the team.

Which number is the chart under on cbafaq?


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[basketballwacko2]

Well it kinda looked like we've picked CJ Fair with our second round pick. Tough to believe this guy went undrafted, and probably a good catch for the Pacers IF he can prove that he can play the three.

He's a tweener to me, not that quick to defend the two's, and not that big to defend the three's. Smart player though, but I think we need more of a legit SF. I don't know if it is just me but I would like the Pacers to go for a banger, a bigger more physical SF.

I know Fair should have been drafted but like Scoot said maybe he put teams off with his talk about talkk about a guanteed del. I'd offer him 3 yrs statting at vet min all yrs non guaranteed each year becoming guaranteed aug 1 of the contract year, and give him a raise each year.

[Scoot McGroot]

Well it kinda looked like we've picked CJ Fair with our second round pick. Tough to believe this guy went undrafted, and probably a good catch for the Pacers IF he can prove that he can play the three.

He's a tweener to me, not that quick to defend the two's, and not that big to defend the three's. Smart player though, but I think we need more of a legit SF. I don't know if it is just me but I would like the Pacers to go for a banger, a bigger more physical SF.

I know Fair should have been drafted but like Scoot said maybe he put teams off with his talk about talkk about a guanteed del. I'd offer him 3 yrs statting at vet min all yrs non guaranteed each year becoming guaranteed aug 1 of the contract year, and give him a raise each year.

To use the minimum salary exception (sometimes confused for vet minimum exception, etc) in this CBA, you can only sign someone for 2 years, and both years must be at the minimum. No signing bonuses, or extra raises. Each year of the 2 years is maxed out at whatever the minimum salary for the player's corresponding experience in each year would be.

We actually had to use a small portion of our MLE years ago to sign Lance to a 4 year deal, and avoid the 2 year limit.

[basketballwacko2]

Ok so the most we can offer is 2 yrs at the minimum salary exception. It's worth a shot I think he could be a sleeper.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ok so the most we can offer is 2 yrs at the minimum salary exception. It's worth a shot I think he could be a sleeper.

Correct. And it's truly up to him if he wants to take a one year or two year deal, and what guarantees there are. He could bet on himself (as Lance did), and take the shorter contract that allows him to control his own future completely.

[Wizop]

my source agreed with you. the chart though is in #79.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q79

I can read it as inapplicable though. perhaps the roster size gets set by the league's letter approving the exception but it is true that everyone is saying 15 today.

[Scoot McGroot]

http://8points9seconds.com/2014/09/01/i ... n/#!bN8MCa

Well, both Fair and Singleton seem like solid 15th men. Not sure what we do, especially with Whittington.

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[8305]

Looks like a competition is being established to find another player capable of defending the bigger sf's and the more skilled stretch pf's. Even with a healthy Paul George this was a problem during the Playoffs last year. Looking at the current roster I'm pretty optomistic that Solomon Hill is up to this task but, I don't see anyone else who fits the bill.

So you've got Singleton, Fair, Whittington and you find out if any of them look like real prospects. You would think two of these guys don't make the team this year but, maybe two of them really empress and that justifies cutting Scola?

[Moooose]

If we are to choose one of these players we are trying out, I want Chris Singleton to make the cut. I want CJ Fair a lot too as I think he is a steal of a signing, but Singleton fits the mold we are looking for - a tall SF/PF that can guard well.

I don't see Scola getting cut. Traded? Maybe. But we need to see first if we can really compete this season, so a trade that would involve him would likely be near the trade deadline.

On the topic, Singleton will give us an SF that is also capable of guarding the stretch fours. That being said, we can then make CJ Miles play the three if we need to go small at times.

[Moooose]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania

Saw this one from the wiretap, with a twitter post as the source.

I don't see Onuaku getting the vote for the last spot, but he should provide enough physicality to test our young bigs in the training camp, notably Singleton.

Kinda reminds me of Ike Diogu, but not to the extent of a Jeff Adrien. Relies on his bulk on both ends of the floor, but is naturally very strong.

I still feel pretty confident about Singleton getting the nod.

[8305]

This from the Washington Board, thought it might be of some interest.

"PJ. Tucker has carved out a nice niche as a pure 3&D guy and worked his way up to 38% this year. Tucker is a playable option because

1. He's disciplined offensively unlike Singleton
2. Knows his role (and knows his limitations - dribbling, anything other than layups/corner 3s)
3. Received good coaching (they saw his 3&D potential and tailored his game towards that, meanwhile Cassell was trying to get CS to be a 6-8 SF version of himself and develop a mid-range while ignoring 3s altogether)
4. Tucker worked very hard on improving his overall game.

Singleton has the raw talent but not the focus or direction (partly the Wizards fault). He's a potential defensive stud who can cause havoc with his length & athleticism on the wing... but offensively, he's a total disaster thus far. It will be interesting to see if he's able to find a role in Indiana ... they certainly need help on the wing."

I could see this guy making the team. Paul George or not we could stand to be more athletic.

[Wizop]

Scoot, can you consolidate the recent signing threads here as originally intended?

[Scoot McGroot]

Scoot, can you consolidate the recent signing threads here as originally intended?

Will do, next time I get to a desktop.

The mobile app is nice, but makes it tough to moderate a lot of the stuff here.


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[Scoot McGroot]

Scoot, can you consolidate the recent signing threads here as originally intended?

Alright, finally got it.