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Re: Oladipo Trade Ideas 

Post#21 » by dalton749 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:47 pm

As a raps fan I would gladly take our chances on vanvleet for oladipo. We can bring him back slowly with Powell on the team and hopefully get him back to allstar form with his bird rights in the 2021 offseason.
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Post#22 » by Wizop » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:05 pm

dalton749 wrote:As a raps fan I would gladly take our chances on vanvleet for oladipo. We can bring him back slowly with Powell on the team and hopefully get him back to allstar form with his bird rights in the 2021 offseason.


FVV doesn't fill a need for us even as an Oladipo replacement. we've got Brogdon, McConnell, AHoliday, Sumner, Lamb when he comes off his injury, McDermott, and we hope to resign JHoliday. we even have two more guards on two-way deals. now I'm not saying FVV isn't a great player, but guard is just not where we need to spend big bucks. if we're doing a big trade with Toronto, our targets would be OG or Siakam. I doubt that interests you. perhaps we could discuss a small trade of one of our backups for one of your backup PFs.
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Post#23 » by Wizop » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:03 pm

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Post#24 » by Topofthekey » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:30 pm

It sounds like something made up by some writer covering the Celtics; he didn't mention where he heard the rumors

Even if it's true that Vic wants to move on, there's no need to panic trade him. Vic wants the most money he can get as an FA, and Pacers is the team that can offer him the most money
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Post#25 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:44 pm

Wizop wrote:
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I'm looking through his writings on The Athletic and on Twitter, and I'm not seeing anything at all that references this. I'm not saying that it's not true necessarily, but, is it also just an aggregator trying to steal some clicks by mischaracterizing a report?
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Post#26 » by Wizop » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:52 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:I'm not saying that it's not true necessarily, but, is it also just an aggregator trying to steal some clicks by mischaracterizing a report?


it does look to be a rehash of the old story. but the pot has been stirred. Pritchard and Victor will need to talk before and after we hire a coach. personally, if there is any fire under this smoke, I'm ready to move on from Vic but not from any of the other starters.
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Post#27 » by Topofthekey » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:19 pm

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Wizop wrote:
Read on Twitter


I'm looking through his writings on The Athletic and on Twitter, and I'm not seeing anything at all that references this. I'm not saying that it's not true necessarily, but, is it also just an aggregator trying to steal some clicks by mischaracterizing a report?

It's basically just one Celtics writer throwing a random rumor out there (without citing any sources for it), and it's being picked up all over the place

To me it sounds more like a writer fantasizing about a Hayward for Oladipo + Turner trade

"Our roster would be so good if Pacers would just shut up and accept this low-ball totally fair offer!"
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Post#28 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:22 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Wizop wrote:
Read on Twitter




To me it sounds more like a writer fantasizing about a Hayward for Oladipo + Turner trade

"Our roster would be so good if Pacers would just shut up and accept this low-ball totally fair offer!"


I wouldn't say that. More than likely, he's just attributing it to general assumptions/reports that he has no inside knowledge on. It's poor reporting if so, but generally done. Or worse, he is acting on underhanded info from a Boston agent or front office source, which would generally be lenient towards their own best wishes. Maybe it's Hayward's agent trying to steer him to Indy since they just bought that new house? Who knows.
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Post#29 » by Topofthekey » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:30 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
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Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:


To me it sounds more like a writer fantasizing about a Hayward for Oladipo + Turner trade

"Our roster would be so good if Pacers would just shut up and accept this low-ball totally fair offer!"


I wouldn't say that. More than likely, he's just attributing it to general assumptions/reports that he has no inside knowledge on. It's poor reporting if so, but generally done. Or worse, he is acting on underhanded info from a Boston agent or front office source, which would generally be lenient towards their own best wishes. Maybe it's Hayward's agent trying to steer him to Indy since they just bought that new house? Who knows.

Indeed, who knows?

The writer literally provided nothing for readers to go on other than "rumor has it Oladipo wants out"

There could be something, several things, or quite possibly, nothing at all behind what he wrote

I'm under the impression that the general reporting on Vic is that he wants the most money possible, whether that is with the Pacers or elsewhere
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Post#30 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:13 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
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Topofthekey wrote:


I wouldn't say that. More than likely, he's just attributing it to general assumptions/reports that he has no inside knowledge on. It's poor reporting if so, but generally done. Or worse, he is acting on underhanded info from a Boston agent or front office source, which would generally be lenient towards their own best wishes. Maybe it's Hayward's agent trying to steer him to Indy since they just bought that new house? Who knows.

Indeed, who knows?

The writer literally provided nothing for readers to go on other than "rumor has it Oladipo wants out"

There could be something, several things, or quite possibly, nothing at all behind what he wrote

I'm under the impression that the general reporting on Vic is that he wants the most money possible, whether that is with the Pacers or elsewhere



That’s the genera reporting out of Indy. The nationwide general reporting is a general
Assumption he isn’t likely to re sign in Indy so Indy needs to move him so they don’t “lose him for nothing”.
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Post#31 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:44 pm

Via The Athletic:

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.


https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Although the Hayward for Dipo deal makes absolutely zero sense. For both sides really.
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Post#32 » by Topofthekey » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:50 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Via The Athletic:

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.


https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Although the Hayward for Dipo deal makes absolutely zero sense. For both sides really.

It's just the Celtics writer trying to console himself by fantasizing about a Hayward + fillers for Oladipo + Turner deal
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Post#33 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:53 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Via The Athletic:

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.


https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Although the Hayward for Dipo deal makes absolutely zero sense. For both sides really.

It's just the Celtics writer trying to console himself by fantasizing about a Hayward + fillers for Oladipo + Turner deal


Yeah. Though, Dipo doesn't even make any sense in Boston. Do they expect him to come off the bench in his contract year?
Kemba-Smart are locked in as their backcourt, and Dipo is definitely not taking Brown's starting spot at the 3.
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Post#34 » by Topofthekey » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:00 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
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I wouldn't say that. More than likely, he's just attributing it to general assumptions/reports that he has no inside knowledge on. It's poor reporting if so, but generally done. Or worse, he is acting on underhanded info from a Boston agent or front office source, which would generally be lenient towards their own best wishes. Maybe it's Hayward's agent trying to steer him to Indy since they just bought that new house? Who knows.

Indeed, who knows?

The writer literally provided nothing for readers to go on other than "rumor has it Oladipo wants out"

There could be something, several things, or quite possibly, nothing at all behind what he wrote

I'm under the impression that the general reporting on Vic is that he wants the most money possible, whether that is with the Pacers or elsewhere



That’s the genera reporting out of Indy. The nationwide general reporting is a general
Assumption he isn’t likely to re sign in Indy so Indy needs to move him so they don’t “lose him for nothing”.

Well, if Vic really wants out, I'd trade him to the Nuggets for Jerami Grant S&T plus future picks (Nuggets have the cap space to absorb the difference between Vic's salary and whatever Jerami Grant's new salary is going to be)

I'd like to see the Nuggets win with a trio of Jokic-Vic-Murray

Plus it'll be satisfying denying the bigger franchises who think they can get Vic for their unwanted scraps, just to be petty rofl
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Post#35 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:14 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:Indeed, who knows?

The writer literally provided nothing for readers to go on other than "rumor has it Oladipo wants out"

There could be something, several things, or quite possibly, nothing at all behind what he wrote

I'm under the impression that the general reporting on Vic is that he wants the most money possible, whether that is with the Pacers or elsewhere



That’s the genera reporting out of Indy. The nationwide general reporting is a general
Assumption he isn’t likely to re sign in Indy so Indy needs to move him so they don’t “lose him for nothing”.

Well, if Vic really wants out, I'd trade him to the Nuggets for Jerami Grant S&T plus future picks (Nuggets have the cap space to absorb the difference between Vic's salary and whatever Jerami Grant's new salary is going to be)

I'd like to see the Nuggets win with a trio of Jokic-Vic-Murray

Plus it'll be satisfying denying the bigger franchises who think they can get Vic for their unwanted scraps, just to be petty rofl



Denver won’t have any cap space. Millsap is expiring, but Jamal Murray’s deal kicks in too.
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Post#36 » by Topofthekey » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:23 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

That’s the genera reporting out of Indy. The nationwide general reporting is a general
Assumption he isn’t likely to re sign in Indy so Indy needs to move him so they don’t “lose him for nothing”.

Well, if Vic really wants out, I'd trade him to the Nuggets for Jerami Grant S&T plus future picks (Nuggets have the cap space to absorb the difference between Vic's salary and whatever Jerami Grant's new salary is going to be)

I'd like to see the Nuggets win with a trio of Jokic-Vic-Murray

Plus it'll be satisfying denying the bigger franchises who think they can get Vic for their unwanted scraps, just to be petty rofl



Denver won’t have any cap space. Millsap is expiring, but Jamal Murray’s deal kicks in too.

That's right

Well it depends on what is the S&T

If it's like $12m, then they would need to add maybe $4m in fillers. Less if the S&T amount is higher

Shouldn't be too tough to do
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Post#37 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:25 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:Well, if Vic really wants out, I'd trade him to the Nuggets for Jerami Grant S&T plus future picks (Nuggets have the cap space to absorb the difference between Vic's salary and whatever Jerami Grant's new salary is going to be)

I'd like to see the Nuggets win with a trio of Jokic-Vic-Murray

Plus it'll be satisfying denying the bigger franchises who think they can get Vic for their unwanted scraps, just to be petty rofl



Denver won’t have any cap space. Millsap is expiring, but Jamal Murray’s deal kicks in too.

That's right

Well it depends on what is the S&T

If it's like $12m, then they would need to add maybe $4m in fillers. Less if the S&T amount is higher

Shouldn't be too tough to do



It’s the kind of thinking that could kill a coach/Gm. The goal is to get the best package possible. Not just a package from an undesired location.

Ask, Grant wouldn’t have interest here unless we also deal Turner. I don’t think he’s signing long term to be a backup again.
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Post#38 » by Topofthekey » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:51 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

Denver won’t have any cap space. Millsap is expiring, but Jamal Murray’s deal kicks in too.

That's right

Well it depends on what is the S&T

If it's like $12m, then they would need to add maybe $4m in fillers. Less if the S&T amount is higher

Shouldn't be too tough to do



It’s the kind of thinking that could kill a coach/Gm. The goal is to get the best package possible. Not just a package from an undesired location.

Ask, Grant wouldn’t have interest here unless we also deal Turner. I don’t think he’s signing long term to be a backup again.

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Of course it doesn't make sense cutting the nose the spite the face. But if Celtics can dream of getting Vic and Myles for Hayward, I can dream of being petty and flipping them off
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Post#39 » by Wizop » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:53 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Grant wouldn’t have interest here unless we also deal Turner. I don’t think he’s signing long term to be a backup again.
Wouldn't have to be backup. Warren and Grant could start as wings with Brogdon and the two bigs. When Sabonis rests at 6 minutes, Grant moves to 4.
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Post#40 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:59 pm

Wizop wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Grant wouldn’t have interest here unless we also deal Turner. I don’t think he’s signing long term to be a backup again.
Wouldn't have to be backup. Warren and Grant could start as wings with Brogdon and the two bigs. When Sabonis rests at 6 minutes, Grant moves to 4.



Boy. That would be a major zag when everyone else expects us to zig and play smaller. People tell us we should deal Turner and play Warren at the 4, and instead, WE GO BIGGER AND PLAY WARREN AT THE 2!

Either way, doubt he agrees to sign to play out of position at the 3, or off the bench as the 4. I would think he’s looking for a starting spot at his preferred 4.

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