Roster construction

[Scoot McGroot]

Would your front office want Randle ---- for Brogdon/Jalen

Jalen Smith isn't tradeable. He'll be a free agent and we have a limit on what we can pay him. If you want him, sign him.

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No cap space- would have to be a sign and trade

Y’all have the MLE which is more than we can legally offer him. If he’ll sign for what we can sign him for, we’ll keep him.

Either way, no interest in a Brogdon for Randle swap.

[Grang33r]

Myles, Goga
Jackson, Brissett, Taylor
Murray, FA Vet, Jovic
Duarte, Hield, Washington
Haliburton, McConnell, Stephenson

Where's Brogdon?

Good question, I'm not sure where to slot him in either

I can't imagine this team going into next season with Jackson and a rookie as starters. Jackson despite showing signs he can have a special future in the NBA, but he still seems raw and gets in foul trouble quite often. He's got to be slotted as a backup with potential for more minutes later in the season.

Unless you're thinking the Pacers tanking and playing for another high pick?

[Topofthekey]

Myles, Goga
Jackson, Brissett, Taylor
Murray, FA Vet, Jovic
Duarte, Hield, Washington
Haliburton, McConnell, Stephenson

Where's Brogdon?

Good question, I'm not sure where to slot him in either

I can't imagine this team going into next season with Jackson and a rookie as starters. Jackson despite showing signs he can have a special future in the NBA, but he still seems raw and gets in foul trouble quite often. He's got to be slotted as a backup with potential for more minutes later in the season.

Unless you're thinking the Pacers tanking and playing for another high pick?

I'm being optimistic

Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Wagner are all rookies who are already contributing to their team as starters

The hope is that Murray can be like them. Of course, Pacers have to draft him first

As for Jackson, remember how Sabonis was a foul magnet when he played off the bench behind Myles and Thad Young?

After Thad Young left he got promoted to the starting lineup and started getting a little bit more respect from the officials

I'm being optimistic and hoping that Jackson will follow a similar trajectory

I don't think the team should be tanking. They should aim to at least make the play ins next season

[Wizop]

Interesting story on Hield's play as a Pacer versus as a King.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-a-one-dimensional-player-change-his-game-with-a-new-team-ask-buddy-hield/

[Tom White]

Interesting story on Hield's play as a Pacer versus as a King.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-a-one-dimensional-player-change-his-game-with-a-new-team-ask-buddy-hield/

Good article that brings up some interesting aspects of team composition. Truth be told, I'm a fan of Hield but have not been that much of a Holiday fan. All things considered, the Pacers "won" the trade with Sacto.

I have to think the coaching staff is being very encouraging of his growth, and he is feeling their belief in him. Gotta make him feel good even through the losses we have had. Might say he has been unbridled.

[Wizop]

Truth be told, I'm a fan of Hield but have not been that much of a Holiday fan. All things considered, the Pacers "won" the trade with Sacto.

I was a Holiday fan but was comfortable with the decision to get younger. I was not a fan on the Sacramento version of Hield, but the Indy version is great. that the change is a result of roster construction rather than coaching is an important idea.

[Grang33r]

Interesting story on Hield's play as a Pacer versus as a King.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-a-one-dimensional-player-change-his-game-with-a-new-team-ask-buddy-hield/

Nice article, thanks for sharing


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[Grang33r]

https://8points9seconds.com/2022/03/22/indiana-pacers-young-players-priority/

The guys at 8p9s discussed what we are kinda talking about too. They review the young players on the roster. Interesting to see Washington is among the rookie leaders at 3PT%.


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[Pacers Forever]

Washington through this crazy Covid and injury plagued season has gotten a huge opportunity to show his talent. As an undrafted player he’s showing great ability to shoot the 3 ball. He’s also getting to work on handling, driving, and defending NBA talent instead of G league.

What a great grab by the Pacers from this draft. I’m thinking he’s solidly in the Pacers future plans until a better option comes along.

[Scoot McGroot]

Washington through this crazy Covid and injury plagued season has gotten a huge opportunity to show his talent. As an undrafted player he’s showing great ability to shoot the 3 ball. He’s also getting to work on handling, driving, and defending NBA talent instead of G league.

What a great grab by the Pacers from this draft. I’m thinking he’s solidly in the Pacers future plans until a better option comes along.

Agreed. If he can work in his vision and passing, he’ll do a lot toward making a decade long career. As it is now, he’s a solid chance of doing that as a gunner bench SG, but some PG skills would really do a lot.

[Pacersike]

Tyrese/Malcolm/T.J./Oshae/Myles
T.J./Buddy/Chris/Jalen/Goga

That roster makes the playoffs, assuming good health.

I'm not as big as a fan of Isaiah as the average Pacer fan. He has some huge steps to take and he is already struggling with health, playing without any stress to win games.

[Topofthekey]

Truth be told, I'm a fan of Hield but have not been that much of a Holiday fan. All things considered, the Pacers "won" the trade with Sacto.

I was a Holiday fan but was comfortable with the decision to get younger. I was not a fan on the Sacramento version of Hield, but the Indy version is great. that the change is a result of roster construction rather than coaching is an important idea.

The idea that Hield has unlocked other aspects of his game by playing with other shooters is a very interesting one

My question is, if we keep him, do we continue to let him start next season, or do we bring him off the bench with McConnell?

If playing with shooters is one of the driving forces behind the new Hield, then getting him to share the court with McConnell might not be best?

[Pacers Forever]

Truth be told, I'm a fan of Hield but have not been that much of a Holiday fan. All things considered, the Pacers "won" the trade with Sacto.

I was a Holiday fan but was comfortable with the decision to get younger. I was not a fan on the Sacramento version of Hield, but the Indy version is great. that the change is a result of roster construction rather than coaching is an important idea.

The idea that Hield has unlocked other aspects of his game by playing with other shooters is a very interesting one

My question is, if we keep him, do we continue to let him start next season, or do we bring him off the bench with McConnell?

If playing with shooters is one of the driving forces behind the new Hield, then getting him to share the court with McConnell might not be best?

Possibly a good second unit offense option depending on what we can obtain to pair with Turner and Haliburton as starters.

Rubio, Warren, Smith, Brogdon, and draft picks are all moving pieces in the equation of roster construction.

That leaves Duarte, Jackson, and Brissett as wild cards being either starters or hopefully solid bench players.

We know Washington, McConnell, Lance, Taylor, Sykes, and Anderson are bench roles if here.

[Topofthekey]

I was a Holiday fan but was comfortable with the decision to get younger. I was not a fan on the Sacramento version of Hield, but the Indy version is great. that the change is a result of roster construction rather than coaching is an important idea.

The idea that Hield has unlocked other aspects of his game by playing with other shooters is a very interesting one

My question is, if we keep him, do we continue to let him start next season, or do we bring him off the bench with McConnell?

If playing with shooters is one of the driving forces behind the new Hield, then getting him to share the court with McConnell might not be best?

Possibly a good second unit offense option depending on what we can obtain to pair with Turner and Haliburton as starters.

Rubio, Warren, Smith, Brogdon, and draft picks are all moving pieces in the equation of roster construction.

That leaves Duarte, Jackson, and Brissett as wild cards being either starters or hopefully solid bench players.

We know Washington, McConnell, Lance, Taylor, Sykes, and Anderson are bench roles if here.

But Hield has thrived playing with good shooters

Is it really a good idea to make him part of the second unit with TJ McConnell who can't shoot?

[Wizop]

But Hield has thrived playing with good shooters

Is it really a good idea to make him part of the second unit with TJ McConnell who can't shoot?

McConnell can shoot in the lane and on the baseline. He has limited range not a bad shot.

And the draft should give us a shooter. If we get lucky, Banchero, Smith, Ivey, Holmgren. If unlucky, Griffin, Sharpe, Mathurin, Murray, Davis.

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[Pacers Forever]

The idea that Hield has unlocked other aspects of his game by playing with other shooters is a very interesting one

My question is, if we keep him, do we continue to let him start next season, or do we bring him off the bench with McConnell?

If playing with shooters is one of the driving forces behind the new Hield, then getting him to share the court with McConnell might not be best?

Possibly a good second unit offense option depending on what we can obtain to pair with Turner and Haliburton as starters.

Rubio, Warren, Smith, Brogdon, and draft picks are all moving pieces in the equation of roster construction.

That leaves Duarte, Jackson, and Brissett as wild cards being either starters or hopefully solid bench players.

We know Washington, McConnell, Lance, Taylor, Sykes, and Anderson are bench roles if here.

But Hield has thrived playing with good shooters

Is it really a good idea to make him part of the second unit with TJ McConnell who can't shoot?

Yes especially if that makes TJMC shooting less and distributing more to better shooters. TJMC could do a drive and kick out to open options more than focusing on driving and trying to post up for a fade away.

Only drawbacks I see with Buddy second unit is we don’t want him going LeVert and playing selfishly trying to do it all. Secondly will need other offense options so he’s not our only scorer by default.

[Pacers Forever]

Does anyone in our group get to see Portland play ? If so what do you think of Drew Eubanks as a 6’9” PF. Athletic well maybe a bit better than Goga.

He’s on his 4th Covid hardship deal there and previously had experience playing for Popovich’s Spurs. He’s getting a real shot to play currently through the Trailblazer tank effort.

He’s averaging in 30 minutes 17 pts 9.7 rebounds 2.5 assists 1.5 turnovers 2 fouls. He can play C also but I’m wondering if he’d be someone who could fit as a low paid free agent backup next season as a power forward if we trade acquiring an available bigger name player making more money, consolidate our draft choices to only a couple players, move Goga through a trade ?

Of course if we get Mark Williams through the draft he might solve our rebounding issues a tad.

[Scoot McGroot]

Does anyone in our group get to see Portland play ? If so what do you think of Drew Eubanks as a 6’9” PF. Athletic well maybe a bit better than Goga.

He’s on his 4th Covid hardship deal there and previously had experience playing for Popovich’s Spurs. He’s getting a real shot to play currently through the Trailblazer tank effort.

He’s averaging in 30 minutes 17 pts 9.7 rebounds 2.5 assists 1.5 turnovers 2 fouls. He can play C also but I’m wondering if he’d be someone who could fit as a low paid free agent backup next season as a power forward if we trade acquiring an available bigger name player making more money, consolidate our draft choices to only a couple players, move Goga through a trade ?

Of course if we get Mark Williams through the draft he might solve our rebounding issues a tad.

Eubanks is a center. He’s played essentially no PF in the nba. His mobility is a little rigid, and he’s quite less athletic than Goga. He’s an effective small minutes guy, but even if he puts up some stats, his effectiveness wanes over long runs.

[Godaddycurse]

Tyrese/Malcolm/T.J./Oshae/Myles
T.J./Buddy/Chris/Jalen/Goga

That roster makes the playoffs, assuming good health.

I'm not as big as a fan of Isaiah as the average Pacer fan. He has some huge steps to take and he is already struggling with health, playing without any stress to win games.

Jalen smith is not coming back. Pacers will get outbid most likely in FA. Also skeptical that lineup can remain healthy enough for them to make play offs. Brogdon/Warren/Turner are major risks

[Pacers Forever]

Does anyone in our group get to see Portland play ? If so what do you think of Drew Eubanks as a 6’9” PF. Athletic well maybe a bit better than Goga.

He’s on his 4th Covid hardship deal there and previously had experience playing for Popovich’s Spurs. He’s getting a real shot to play currently through the Trailblazer tank effort.

He’s averaging in 30 minutes 17 pts 9.7 rebounds 2.5 assists 1.5 turnovers 2 fouls. He can play C also but I’m wondering if he’d be someone who could fit as a low paid free agent backup next season as a power forward if we trade acquiring an available bigger name player making more money, consolidate our draft choices to only a couple players, move Goga through a trade ?

Of course if we get Mark Williams through the draft he might solve our rebounding issues a tad.

Eubanks is a center. He’s played essentially no PF in the nba. His mobility is a little rigid, and he’s quite less athletic than Goga. He’s an effective small minutes guy, but even if he puts up some stats, his effectiveness wanes over long runs.

Thanks I’m just looking at possibilities for mature low cost role players because quite frankly I don’t see a future for our bench players unless they become much better.

As much as I like some of the bright moments we’ve seen this season from our non starters our roster needs HUGE upgrades to even make a play in position next season. We can’t blame injuries or Covid next season and I expect bad fit excuse will be non existent in our new roster.

Free agents— no guarantees they’re back
Warren
Rubio
Smith

Jackson —-raw but bright future
Duarte —-raw but bright future
Hield — NBA established
Haliburton —-NBA established
Turner —-NBA established
McConnell —NBA established
Brogdon —NBA established

Essentially we have 7 acceptable NBA ready players which any GM would agree. Only the first 4 are very likely to be back. Hopefully the first 5-6 are back but if they trade McConnell no biggie. Hopefully Brogdon nets more in trade than Cheetos.

Rest of this year’s roster
Sykes——-gone most likely
Anderson—-blah
Goga—- blah
Brissett——not consistent but low cost
Lance—-end of bench vet only
Washington—-NBA experience raw 2 way ?
Taylor—-NBA experience raw definite 2 way

Of this group the only 2 players I would welcome back are Taylor on a 2 way and Lance on vet minimum. Possibly Washington on a 2 way unless we need it for a draft pick that is better than him.

So that’s 7 roster spots plus 2 -2 way so far.
Add 2-3 draft picks. 9-10 contracts plus 2 ways. Leaves 5 open spots.

Next year’s team
Haliburton
McConnell
Duarte
Lance
Washington
Hield
Jackson
Taylor
Turner
Draft pick
Draft pick
Draft pick
Vet from trade or Free agency
Vet from trade or Free agency
Vet from trade or Free agency
Vet from trade or Free agency
Vet or Brissett makes our 17 players

A lot of work to do to get this roster rebuilt to a competitive team. Not gonna be easy.

Rostering 2 sophomore players (Duarte and Jackson) plus 3 rookies the rest of the team need to be strong enough to let these 5 gain experience but not be depended upon as starters.

Sure I’d love to fill 2 of the Vet spots with Warren at a team friendly salary and with Jalen Smith. Idk. That leaves 3 vet openings to acquire and they need to be NBA experienced role players or starting caliber by trading Brogdon and Goga and not resigning Rubio.

The more you analyze this it looks like next season plus 2 more seasons of growth for our younger players to mature in order to realistically dream about being a top 4 contender in the Eastern conference.