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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#21 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:06 am

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basketballwacko2 wrote:I think it might be time to realize the Siakam trade was in fact premature, this team was not ready to take the step to the next level. Regardless of the run they made las year. They are too close to the tax to make any kind of move that will make them better and with the 2 huge salaries of Siakam and Haliburton they won't be able to resign Turner without going into the tax.

Solution? Trade Siakam to the Lakers for Hachimura, Russell, Knect an 2029 and 2031 #1 picks, then flip Russell and 2 2nds to Brooklyn for DFS. This might need a bit more salary from LAL to work. Pacers would have to release Johnson, and Wiseman and maybe send the extra player from LAL to the Nets into one of their trade exceptions.


They're not trading Siakam. Cmon. lol


Well we'll see, when they finish 37-45 some hard choices will have to be made. How are they going to improve beyond a 10th place finish?
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Post#22 » by JMaster5K » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:53 am

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basketballwacko2 wrote:I think it might be time to realize the Siakam trade was in fact premature, this team was not ready to take the step to the next level. Regardless of the run they made las year. They are too close to the tax to make any kind of move that will make them better and with the 2 huge salaries of Siakam and Haliburton they won't be able to resign Turner without going into the tax.

Solution? Trade Siakam to the Lakers for Hachimura, Russell, Knect an 2029 and 2031 #1 picks, then flip Russell and 2 2nds to Brooklyn for DFS. This might need a bit more salary from LAL to work. Pacers would have to release Johnson, and Wiseman and maybe send the extra player from LAL to the Nets into one of their trade exceptions.


They're not trading Siakam. Cmon. lol


Well we'll see, when they finish 37-45 some hard choices will have to be made. How are they going to improve beyond a 10th place finish?


I could see them trading Pascal,... but only if they think this isn't a blip, and the team is going to slip into re-rebuilding mode. Then, I could see them trading him someplace that he wants to play (and is willing to make a good trade for the Pacers), to give him a chance to compete. Could see that happening out of respect. Don't think we are anywhere close to that yet,... but I'm don't believe it can't happen.
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Post#23 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:24 pm

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They're not trading Siakam. Cmon. lol


Well we'll see, when they finish 37-45 some hard choices will have to be made. How are they going to improve beyond a 10th place finish?


I could see them trading Pascal,... but only if they think this isn't a blip, and the team is going to slip into re-rebuilding mode. Then, I could see them trading him someplace that he wants to play (and is willing to make a good trade for the Pacers), to give him a chance to compete. Could see that happening out of respect. Don't think we are anywhere close to that yet,... but I'm don't believe it can't happen.


The team has played a little better since getting Nembhard back, now that Sheppard is back and they got a backup center they should be able to hit 500. I still wonder how long till Nesmith is back and even then there is still a lack of size at the SF.

Are we gonna be ok with a 41 and 41 record and a 8th place finish? I'm not. I don't see a way to improve this team with the salary structure they have now, trading Obi or Nesmith to make room to sign Turner is a temp fix because Mathurin is going to need to be extended if he keeps improving he's gonna cost more than Nesmith or Nembhard. So how do you get that done and add size at SF?
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Post#24 » by SmashMouthRod » Wed Dec 25, 2024 10:28 pm

A recent report stated "Nassir Little Expected To Soon Sign With NBA Team After Strong Play In G League" He is still only 25. A former first round pick from 2019. He is a wing with a long wingspan that can possibly help on defense. Depth has proven to be a need this season for sure. Indy should kick the tires here. He could finally be ready to have an impact in the league. Thoughts?
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Post#25 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:50 am

SmashMouthRod wrote:A recent report stated "Nassir Little Expected To Soon Sign With NBA Team After Strong Play In G League" He is still only 25. A former first round pick from 2019. He is a wing with a long wingspan that can possibly help on defense. Depth has proven to be a need this season for sure. Indy should kick the tires here. He could finally be ready to have an impact in the league. Thoughts?


My thoughts on Little (who is a 6’5” forward) are that he can defend very well against both forward positions and I feel he would be a duplication of Nesmith. I wouldn’t be against the move but I don’t think it’s necessary or that they’d cut Johnson to sign Little.
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Post#26 » by 8305 » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:42 pm

I’ve waffled back and forth on Benn Mathurin. If returned to the down side. Wondering what everyone else thinks.

1. Has he really improved significantly from his rookie year?
2. Does he retain his starting role when Neismith returns to full strength?
3. When this team is healthy how many minutes/game do you see Benn getting?
4. Where does everyone see Furphy? Maybe a better prospect than Benn?
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Post#27 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:01 pm

8305 wrote:I’ve waffled back and forth on Benn Mathurin. If returned to the down side. Wondering what everyone else thinks.

1. Has he really improved significantly from his rookie year?
2. Does he retain his starting role when Neismith returns to full strength?
3. When this team is healthy how many minutes/game do you see Benn getting?
4. Where does everyone see Furphy? Maybe a better prospect than Benn?


1 There’s been steady improvement and I think the biggest thing that he has done is realizing that he’s no longer the top dog and has to play team basketball. They’re trying to make him more than a scorer. I’m hoping that changing his mindset will translate into a better all around player in the future. I feel like he’s still a work in progress and I don’t see superstar potential like we had hoped and that’s on us for designating him as a future star. Not everyone blossoms into an Oladipo. I still believe that he could become a future star. I’m torn on if he’ll be a Pacer or if they decide that he wasn’t quite the right fit for this team like Nembhard became.

2 I believe Benn goes back to the second team and will play well with TJ again.

3 I don’t see Benn’s minutes dropping a huge amount because there’s nobody ready to take minutes from him. The only way he loses minutes is if he becomes more of a defensive liability or if defensive minded Sheppard gets back to form and eats into his minutes.

4 Just like Walker, Furphy is so young and needs a few years of NBA experience. The Pacers have taken on the strategy of developing young players instead of filling the bench roles with low cost veterans. The Pacers have been fortunate to have time to develop these young players to see if they’re capable of becoming role players or even more. We’ve seen Wiseman, Q Jax, Walker, Furphy, and Freeman are capable of flashing their talents in limited minutes at the right situations. It’s way too early for me to say Furphy will be a knock down 3 point threat and defender in the league, however I like his opportunity and hope he succeeds. He’s so young and his body needs to become NBA sturdy to take the physicality. I think the Pacers will be patiently developing him and it’s hard to say he’s a better prospect than Mathurin after such a limited run for Furphy.


Whether anyone on the Pacers outside of the veterans will mature into long term success stories depends upon many factors. Commitment, mentality, discipline, dedication are all key to rising above the average level players. We have to wait and see what the coaching will produce.

Sometimes it comes down to opportunity to play. Duarte was a young talent that had good opportunities to play here and couldn’t stay healthy enough to warrant the team investing more time into his development. Now he’s on his third team and his scoring average went from 13 to 8 to 4 to 2.5 points per season. Yes he’s still fortunate to be in the league, but he’s not developed into that player who can be a steady role player. It’s never a given that young top prospects will develop into NBA stars.
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Post#28 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:31 pm

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Post#30 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Jan 2, 2025 2:37 am

Interesting upcoming deadline I read and copied here from a Tony East story about the acquisition of Ray J Dennis.

Indiana will have a full roster again once Dennis puts pen to paper. They’ll have two months to determine if they like their crop of two-way players enough to keep them for the rest of the season — early March is the deadline for NBA teams to sign players to two-way deals.
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Post#31 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Jan 2, 2025 4:20 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:Interesting upcoming deadline I read and copied here from a Tony East story about the acquisition of Ray J Dennis.

Indiana will have a full roster again once Dennis puts pen to paper. They’ll have two months to determine if they like their crop of two-way players enough to keep them for the rest of the season — early March is the deadline for NBA teams to sign players to two-way deals.


Yup. It used to basically be in January, and with Covid seasons, the league essentially suspended the deadline. With the newest CBA, they pushed it back into March.
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Post#32 » by Grang33r » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:44 am

I've seen some online chatter about Cam Johnson? Soon to be 29 but shoots the 3 like his life depends on it. '
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Post#33 » by Grang33r » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:06 am

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Post#34 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:20 pm

Grang33r wrote:I've seen some online chatter about Cam Johnson? Soon to be 29 but shoots the 3 like his life depends on it. '



From the original, original report, it was just a hunch from other unconnected league sources that maybe, maybe Indy might be one of a handful of other teams not heavily mentioned regarding Cam that might get involved? Nothing actually tying Indy in here.

Salary matching is tough, though. Like, would you trade a healthy Nesmith and Obi for Cam? Let alone add in the pick or two that Brooklyn would want? And even then, you’ve tied up your salary even more for next year, making it tougher to keep a Myles Turner in free agency.

Cam’s a tough add, even if he makes sense.
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Post#35 » by nrbq » Sat Jan 4, 2025 3:56 pm

Im up for trading MAthurin. I think his attitude and bitching every call hurts. Forcing shots. I think him and maybe Siakam would make a nice trade package.
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Post#36 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Jan 4, 2025 4:40 pm

nrbq wrote:Im up for trading MAthurin. I think his attitude and bitching every call hurts. Forcing shots. I think him and maybe Siakam would make a nice trade package.



Mathurin I get. Why would we trade Siakam, though? We’d need to get a major starting SF and/or PF back to replace him, no?
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Post#37 » by Grang33r » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:18 pm

Trading Siakam would make no sense. He's been their most consistent player this season and what he does from a leadership standpoint is unmatched.
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Post#38 » by Grang33r » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:24 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Salary matching is tough, though. Like, would you trade a healthy Nesmith and Obi for Cam? Let alone add in the pick or two that Brooklyn would want? And even then, you’ve tied up your salary even more for next year, making it tougher to keep a Myles Turner in free agency.

Cam’s a tough add, even if he makes sense.


Damn. It seems like it'll be hard for the Pacers to really add regardless to this roster.
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Post#39 » by nrbq » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:58 pm

I like Siakam but he makes a ton of money for a player maybe not rated in the top 40. I just think we could get a lot from that package. Mathurin and Siakam. Then resign Turner
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Post#40 » by JMaster5K » Sat Jan 4, 2025 9:29 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
nrbq wrote:Im up for trading MAthurin. I think his attitude and bitching every call hurts. Forcing shots. I think him and maybe Siakam would make a nice trade package.



Mathurin I get. Why would we trade Siakam, though? We’d need to get a major starting SF and/or PF back to replace him, no?


With Benn's overall improved play,.. inconsistent as it's been,... do you think coach is actually trying to find ways to use him in varying matchups / lineups? or they are making sure that others see his value?,... or maybe both? neither?

I've heard from reliable sources (Tyrese in an interview),... that Carlisle calls him 'Beast',.. and still seems to have a lot of commitment to him? CC said both pre-draft & in her post draft review that 'he is a very Carlisle player'?

Not sure what any of this actually means? Maybe the real question is,... do you think the Pacers would actually trade Mathurin if they could get an offer that would really make sense? I hope so.

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