Roster construction

[Pacers Forever]

Tyrese/Malcolm/T.J./Oshae/Myles
T.J./Buddy/Chris/Jalen/Goga

That roster makes the playoffs, assuming good health.

I'm not as big as a fan of Isaiah as the average Pacer fan. He has some huge steps to take and he is already struggling with health, playing without any stress to win games.

Jalen smith is not coming back. Pacers will get outbid most likely in FA. Also skeptical that lineup can remain healthy enough for them to make play offs. Brogdon/Warren/Turner are major risks

I agree that we need more roster reconstruction to even sniff the play in.

[8305]

Tyrese/Malcolm/T.J./Oshae/Myles
T.J./Buddy/Chris/Jalen/Goga

That roster makes the playoffs, assuming good health.

I'm not as big as a fan of Isaiah as the average Pacer fan. He has some huge steps to take and he is already struggling with health, playing without any stress to win games.

After two years of inactivity I’m not counting on much from Warren and I don’t see Brissett as a starting level player. Neither Brogdan or Hali can defend quickness on their perimeter. Seems like a lot to overcome in what is now a pretty competitive East. Add one of the big three available in this draft and assume an Evan Mobley type contribution and it gets interesting.

[Wizop]

Rest of this year’s roster
Sykes——-gone most likely
Anderson—-blah
Goga—- blah
Brissett——not consistent but low cost
Lance—-end of bench vet only
Washington—-NBA experience raw 2 way ?
Taylor—-NBA experience raw definite 2 way

Of this group the only 2 players I would welcome back are Taylor on a 2 way and Lance on vet minimum. Possibly Washington on a 2 way unless we need it for a draft pick that is better than him.

The roster has 15 full time players and 2 two way players. Teams rarely play more than 9 in a given game. That means 6 players on full time contracts don't play most nights. In recent games we've had 8 players dressed and 8 injured plus Rubio who doesn't count. The 8 that dressed were almost all players who wouldn't get much playing time ahead of the 8 who sat. They flopped but there aren't many teams who could win games with their 3rd unit starting. Now I'm not arguing that the end of our bench are starting quality players or even quality rotation players. I'm just saying there is no need to retool the end of the bench. they should only be cheerleaders most nights.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think we’ve got a lot of quality guys on the roster being asked to do too much. I think Oshae is absolutely an nba caliber guy. He’s probably more of a 3rd forward than a starting guy and we’re forced to over play him. But that’s still a SUPER valuable player to have. I think Goga is more of a backup 5 than a starting 5, but I’d reliably count on him to play 15-20 minutes every night. I think Washington and Taylor are more of 3rd string situational guys, but I think they played their versatile roles decently well, long term. I think Duarte is a long term starter at the 2 or 3, meaning we’re short a starter at the 2/3 unless we keep Brogdon (or trade him for one). I think Hield is ok to chew up minutes but he’s not a long term answer as the starter. Off the bench? Remains to be seen. Turner is clearly a starter at the 5. It’s a lot of flexibility, but we need some starters in some spots, and some backups in some spots. We are pretty ok in playable 3rd string guys we could have.

[Wizop]

I think Duarte is a long term starter at the 2 or 3, meaning we’re short a starter at the 2/3 unless we keep Brogdon (or trade him for one).

or resign a healthy Warren or get a 2/3 in the draft.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think Duarte is a long term starter at the 2 or 3, meaning we’re short a starter at the 2/3 unless we keep Brogdon (or trade him for one).

or resign a healthy Warren or get a 2/3 in the draft.

Agreed on all accounts.

[Pacers Forever]

I think we’ve got a lot of quality guys on the roster being asked to do too much. I think Oshae is absolutely an nba caliber guy. He’s probably more of a 3rd forward than a starting guy and we’re forced to over play him. But that’s still a SUPER valuable player to have. I think Goga is more of a backup 5 than a starting 5, but I’d reliably count on him to play 15-20 minutes every night. I think Washington and Taylor are more of 3rd string situational guys, but I think they played their versatile roles decently well, long term. I think Duarte is a long term starter at the 2 or 3, meaning we’re short a starter at the 2/3 unless we keep Brogdon (or trade him for one). I think Hield is ok to chew up minutes but he’s not a long term answer as the starter. Off the bench? Remains to be seen. Turner is clearly a starter at the 5. It’s a lot of flexibility, but we need some starters in some spots, and some backups in some spots. We are pretty ok in playable 3rd string guys we could have.

You make it seem not so bad in a nice way. I agree with some of your player analysis. Our ideas on what the Pacers need of course are just guesses or hopes in which way they’re going for next season. It’s fun to speculate.

I’m going to sit in the need a whole lot of moves category until the draft passes and we see if there’s any significant player moves made and what they reap from the draft.

I was surprised that the draft is June 23 and free agency doesn’t begin until August 2nd. I think it would make more sense to move player free agency to July so that teams can get their rosters crafted. You’d think that players would want to know sooner their landing spot also.

I also think it’s a benefit if the Pacers can do draft day/related trades to move players as they did last season with Aaron to solidify roster spots sooner.

[Pacers Forever]

Rest of this year’s roster
Sykes——-gone most likely
Anderson—-blah
Goga—- blah
Brissett——not consistent but low cost
Lance—-end of bench vet only
Washington—-NBA experience raw 2 way ?
Taylor—-NBA experience raw definite 2 way

Of this group the only 2 players I would welcome back are Taylor on a 2 way and Lance on vet minimum. Possibly Washington on a 2 way unless we need it for a draft pick that is better than him.

The roster has 15 full time players and 2 two way players. Teams rarely play more than 9 in a given game. That means 6 players on full time contracts don't play most nights. In recent games we've had 8 players dressed and 8 injured plus Rubio who doesn't count. The 8 that dressed were almost all players who wouldn't get much playing time ahead of the 8 who sat. They flopped but there aren't many teams who could win games with their 3rd unit starting. Now I'm not arguing that the end of our bench are starting quality players or even quality rotation players. I'm just saying there is no need to retool the end of the bench. they should only be cheerleaders most nights.

You’re correct that the TOP teams in the league very rarely go past 9 player rotations.

We’re a bottom feeder currently and need a lot to get to that plateau. Our talent based on this year is weak at best due to many factors.

I’m confident that they can acquire enough key talent to upgrade but I don’t see it in just one off season propelling us to the top tier teams.

I’m not sold on rookies making a huge impact immediately improving a team. From last year’s draft which was loaded with talent I only see 2 rookies who contributed to made their teams top notch. Barnes, Mobley, and fringe impact could be Bones Hyland. Sure a lot of the rookies had bright moments this year but didn’t impact enough to matter. In years 2-3 are usually when rookies grow into difference makers.

So that’s why I’m not sold on 3 rookies drafted this season plus Duarte and Jackson putting us into the top tier of teams. We need bonafide NBA talented starters coupled with the youth movement to move us closer next season and then retool the following season around solid starters and hopefully some of the youth breaks out to be stars.

[Pacers Forever]

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For those who think our upcoming draft choices will be starters and big contributors rescuing this team from being out of the playoff I submit proof that pinning our hopes on Duarte didn’t get us there.

Duarte has been about as dependable as Brogdon and we can’t progress with a roster with too many unavailable players.

Idea situation for me is rookies playing second team minutes learning from vets in practice and games.

Yes I want great draft choice players but also want vets in front of them until the rookies produce more than the vets.

As for Duarte I love the possibilities of him being a deadly knock down 3 point shooter and shot creator.

With the right players around him, body strength improved, Chris understanding how far he can push without causing injuries, and more NBA experience he’s going to be just fine.

Isiah is a different story as he was position blocked first half of season and didn’t see adequate playing time until late. I feel he was actually a bit more dependable and performed better in his limited chances.

[Topofthekey]

I think a lot depends on whether Duarte and Jackson are ready/able to become full time starters

They've both been bothered by injuries this season. I'm going to be optimistic and say that after gaining one season's worth of experience, the hope is they'll come back better prepared for the rigours of playing in the NBA and be ready for the starting job

[Wizop]

I think a lot depends on whether Duarte and Jackson are ready/able to become full time starters

They've both been bothered by injuries this season. I'm going to be optimistic and say that after gaining one season's worth of experience, the hope is they'll come back better prepared for the rigours of playing in the NBA and be ready for the starting job

I hope Jackson can become a 4 but I doubt he'll be ready to start at 4 or 5 next year unless we trade Turner and semi-tank. Duarte as a starting wing could depend on Warren and Brogdon's return. The draft also matters. Do we get a guard like Ivey or Maturin, or a forward like Banchero or Murray?

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[Tom White]

I think a lot depends on whether Duarte and Jackson are ready/able to become full time starters

They've both been bothered by injuries this season. I'm going to be optimistic and say that after gaining one season's worth of experience, the hope is they'll come back better prepared for the rigours of playing in the NBA and be ready for the starting job

If not starters (in particular in Jackson's case) then prepared to get regular playing time above what they have gotten this year. As with Smith (if he does come back) my concern would be for their improvement defensively. I think they all have capabilities, so it is more an experience and learning ladder they have to climb.

There are a number of the other guys I wouldn't mind having back, just not being forced into roles for which they are not ready or capable. Of course, most of that had to do with the lack of a healthy roster.

[Pacers Forever]

I think a lot depends on whether Duarte and Jackson are ready/able to become full time starters

They've both been bothered by injuries this season. I'm going to be optimistic and say that after gaining one season's worth of experience, the hope is they'll come back better prepared for the rigours of playing in the NBA and be ready for the starting job

I agree that the hope is that this season prepared them mentally of the rigors and physicality of NBA play. Being ready to step in as starters no and no to any rookie from this draft being a starter.

We saw how it went as a starter for Duarte and many other rookies this year in that stepping out of college into the NBA game is more mentally, physically, and stamina challenging than they’re ready for.

[Wizop]

The hope is this is our Tim Duncan year. The Spurs collapsed with David Robinson injured, got to draft Duncan, and were set for years. Sure we're a draft or two away and it looks like the Cavs will have to win in the playin for us to have two first, but we'll go into next year with unusually experienced backups.

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[Scoot McGroot]

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[Pacers Forever]

The hope is this is our Tim Duncan year. The Spurs collapsed with David Robinson injured, got to draft Duncan, and were set for years. Sure we're a draft or two away and it looks like the Cavs will have to win in the playin for us to have two first, but we'll go into next year with unusually experienced backups.

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So wish there was 7 deep Tim Duncan talent available. Sadly this draft might be very hard to find the diamond in the rough compared to last season’s players.

[Topofthekey]

The hope is this is our Tim Duncan year. The Spurs collapsed with David Robinson injured, got to draft Duncan, and were set for years. Sure we're a draft or two away and it looks like the Cavs will have to win in the playin for us to have two first, but we'll go into next year with unusually experienced backups.

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So wish there was 7 deep Tim Duncan talent available. Sadly this draft might be very hard to find the diamond in the rough compared to last season’s players.

Yea, when it happened to Spurs there was a clear Tim Duncan type talent in the draft, so they were fortunate that way

This draft could still end up producing a franchise player or two, but it's really hard to predict who it's going to be

I guess Jabari Smith is the closest to a sure thing? Really hard to say

[8305]

The hope is this is our Tim Duncan year. The Spurs collapsed with David Robinson injured, got to draft Duncan, and were set for years. Sure we're a draft or two away and it looks like the Cavs will have to win in the playin for us to have two first, but we'll go into next year with unusually experienced backups.

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For a Spurs level resurgence I think we need to:
Hit on a top three pick. I see us as great landing spot for any of Smith, Banchero or Holmgren
Resign Turner
Duarte develops into a solid starter
One of Brogdan or Warren comes back healthy and productive

[AdonisDeMarion]

I honestly feel that y’all should start new around the young guy y’all traded for TH.

I would send out every long contract…

MB, BH and MT would all be sent out to clear the books.

Yeah draft picks will be coming back in but if I could move all of these players and add a pick, a very large ending contract and a young player on a cheap deal

[AdonisDeMarion]

I honestly feel that y’all should start new around the young guy y’all traded for TH.

I would send out every long contract…

MB, BH and MT would all be sent out to clear the books.

Yeah draft picks will be coming back in but if I could move all of these players and add a pick, a very large ending contract and a young player on a cheap deal