Re: Bruce Brown?
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:08 pm
Hey, I'm back with another vomit inducing trade idea. What do you think?
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Spates wrote:Hey, I'm back with another vomit inducing trade idea. What do you think?
Wizop wrote:Spates wrote:Hey, I'm back with another vomit inducing trade idea. What do you think?
see all the prior Siakim threads. no.
Spates wrote:Wizop wrote:Spates wrote:Hey, I'm back with another vomit inducing trade idea. What do you think?
see all the prior Siakim threads. no.
Good luck being Dallas of the East.
Wizop wrote:Spates wrote:Wizop wrote:
see all the prior Siakim threads. no.
Good luck being Dallas of the East.
may I assume that you've not read the prior threads where Pacer fans make clear that we think we're interested in pursuing Siakim next summer on the free agent market but not in trading the players Toronto would want back for what could be a rental now?
Spates wrote:Hey, I'm back with another vomit inducing trade idea. What do you think?
Spates wrote:I can only assume that by "not in trading the players Toronto would want back for what could be a rental now", you mean that you're not at all open to trading with Toronto.
Wizop wrote:Spates wrote:I can only assume that by "not in trading the players Toronto would want back for what could be a rental now", you mean that you're not at all open to trading with Toronto.
emphasis on NOW. a sign and trade in the summer isn't off the table.
Tom White wrote:Spates wrote:Hey, I'm back with another vomit inducing trade idea. What do you think?
I'm gonna have to stock up on barf bags.
Spates wrote:Wizop wrote:Spates wrote:I can only assume that by "not in trading the players Toronto would want back for what could be a rental now", you mean that you're not at all open to trading with Toronto.
emphasis on NOW. a sign and trade in the summer isn't off the table.
Why is the off-season materially different for Indy?
Wizop wrote:Spates wrote:Wizop wrote:
emphasis on NOW. a sign and trade in the summer isn't off the table.
Why is the off-season materially different for Indy?
because we'd be assured of having him for a number of years. trading for him now carries a serious risk that he'd sign his next contract elsewhere.
Spates wrote:We're operating under different assumptions. In the current NBA marketplace, these trades aren't completed unless there's unofficial confirmation that players are committed to their new team.
Spates wrote:We're operating under different assumptions. In the current NBA marketplace, these trades aren't completed unless there's unofficial confirmation that players are committed to their new team.
Spates wrote:I get the hesitation, I'm a Raptors fan, not a fan of the Lakers or Knicks. The league simply operates off of handshake deals nowadays.
Spates wrote:In a sign and trade, what would you be willing to offer Toronto for 4 years of Siakam? Consider this a situation where Pascal would be open to trades elsewhere because of the financial incentive of bird rights.
Spates wrote:I get the hesitation, I'm a Raptors fan, not a fan of the Lakers or Knicks. The league simply operates off of handshake deals nowadays.
In a sign and trade, what would you be willing to offer Toronto for 4 years of Siakam? Consider this a situation where Pascal would be open to trades elsewhere because of the financial incentive of bird rights.
Spates wrote:I get the hesitation, I'm a Raptors fan, not a fan of the Lakers or Knicks. The league simply operates off of handshake deals nowadays.
In a sign and trade, what would you be willing to offer Toronto for 4 years of Siakam? Consider this a situation where Pascal would be open to trades elsewhere because of the financial incentive of bird rights.
JMaster5K wrote:Spates wrote:I get the hesitation, I'm a Raptors fan, not a fan of the Lakers or Knicks. The league simply operates off of handshake deals nowadays.
In a sign and trade, what would you be willing to offer Toronto for 4 years of Siakam? Consider this a situation where Pascal would be open to trades elsewhere because of the financial incentive of bird rights.
I think you hit partially 'the nail on the head',... unintentionally. I honestly don't think the Pacers are interested in either a 4 month rental of Siakam, nor a 'this year +3 year' commitment to Siakam on a guaranteed, max contract. For a trade to happen now,... those, basically, are your options.
(To do something else, Siakam would have to back-track on things he's already said he's not going to accept. It is not in his best financial interest to help a trade now. The extend and trade rules would limit his value versus the contracts he should have available as an UFA.)
The Pacers probably would be very interested in a deal with Siakam as a 2+1 or 1+1 which, in the current circumstances, is really only likely during the FA period this summer. This is a rare case where his Bird rights don't actually mean much (at least to the Pacers). His max contract now,. or this summer is 30% of the cap, $42,600,000. No one can sign him to more than that. We will have the cap space to make him that offer this summer, with or without his Bird rights.
In a sense, we might actually be helping you move him. If someone, say the Warriors are interested. They know we are interested, and we have the cap space,.. their only option is to trade now and hope he resigns (which he said he isn't),... or do a sign an trade, under terms acceptable to both Siakam and the Raptors early in the FA period, or lose out.
Spates wrote:JMaster5K wrote:Spates wrote:I get the hesitation, I'm a Raptors fan, not a fan of the Lakers or Knicks. The league simply operates off of handshake deals nowadays.
In a sign and trade, what would you be willing to offer Toronto for 4 years of Siakam? Consider this a situation where Pascal would be open to trades elsewhere because of the financial incentive of bird rights.
I think you hit partially 'the nail on the head',... unintentionally. I honestly don't think the Pacers are interested in either a 4 month rental of Siakam, nor a 'this year +3 year' commitment to Siakam on a guaranteed, max contract. For a trade to happen now,... those, basically, are your options.
(To do something else, Siakam would have to back-track on things he's already said he's not going to accept. It is not in his best financial interest to help a trade now. The extend and trade rules would limit his value versus the contracts he should have available as an UFA.)
The Pacers probably would be very interested in a deal with Siakam as a 2+1 or 1+1 which, in the current circumstances, is really only likely during the FA period this summer. This is a rare case where his Bird rights don't actually mean much (at least to the Pacers). His max contract now,. or this summer is 30% of the cap, $42,600,000. No one can sign him to more than that. We will have the cap space to make him that offer this summer, with or without his Bird rights.
In a sense, we might actually be helping you move him. If someone, say the Warriors are interested. They know we are interested, and we have the cap space,.. their only option is to trade now and hope he resigns (which he said he isn't),... or do a sign an trade, under terms acceptable to both Siakam and the Raptors early in the FA period, or lose out.
That's quite informative and well articulated, thanks.
Very similar to VanVleet's circumstances. Difference being Siakam's market will have other high bidders. I'm looking at Detroit. Seems like they'd throw a max his way, for a full 4. They're are bad, but they have enough young talent to possibly persuade Pascal of the roster viability. There's also Philly. If they were to offer the same 2+1 contract as Indy, many would presume Pascal to take the Philly deal.
Seems like if he's of any interest to the Pacers, the only real option is to trade. It's their only means of leverage in a market with competition. But again, this hinges on the assumption that Pascal would make a commitment to Indiana prior to the trade.
I think reluctance to give up assets for Pascal will backfire. I think Ben Sheppard and a 1st rounder are worth the leverage advantage. And a steal if he commits longer term. I'll add that Pascal has been terrific offensively of late. He likely won't make all-nba or all-star but it's his most effective season since 2019. He's really dialed into his areas of strength and he's cut much of the fluff that made him a volume scorer on pedestrian efficiency.
I really appreciate your reply btw.
Spates wrote:I get the hesitation, I'm a Raptors fan, not a fan of the Lakers or Knicks. The league simply operates off of handshake deals nowadays.
In a sign and trade, what would you be willing to offer Toronto for 4 years of Siakam? Consider this a situation where Pascal would be open to trades elsewhere because of the financial incentive of bird rights.