Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread

[Scoot McGroot]

Im up for trading MAthurin. I think his attitude and bitching every call hurts. Forcing shots. I think him and maybe Siakam would make a nice trade package.

Mathurin I get. Why would we trade Siakam, though? We’d need to get a major starting SF and/or PF back to replace him, no?

With Benn's overall improved play,.. inconsistent as it's been,... do you think coach is actually trying to find ways to use him in varying matchups / lineups? or they are making sure that others see his value?,... or maybe both? neither?

I've heard from reliable sources (Tyrese in an interview),... that Carlisle calls him 'Beast',.. and still seems to have a lot of commitment to him? CC said both pre-draft & in her post draft review that 'he is a very Carlisle player'?

Not sure what any of this actually means? Maybe the real question is,... do you think the Pacers would actually trade Mathurin if they could get an offer that would really make sense? I hope so.

I would say that my hunch is both that Carlisle is committed to training Mathurin to be better on defense, while fitting in offensively, while the team is also likely willing to move Mathurin to make the team better, if something arises?

[Pacers Forever]

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Looks like Mathurin is off limits as Carlisle is having fun reining him in. I get the teaching him to be more than a scorer and agree, but watching Benn the offensive machine would be cool to see every once in a while.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Looks like Mathurin is off limits as Carlisle is having fun reining him in. I get the teaching him to be more than a scorer and agree, but watching Benn the offensive machine would be cool to see every once in a while.

I definitely don’t see that in that quote, or anything that Carlisle has said this year. But yeah, I don’t think they WANT to move Mathurin, so much as he’s a guy that could return value and maybe facilitate an upgrade at the 3?

[basketballwacko2]

I don't see the Pacers being able to build a top 3 NBA East team when they have the 2 huge contracts of Haliburton and Siakam. We are talking about $84.3 million this year and $90.1 million next year for 2 guys. Then if you want to keep Turner he's getting $30-32 million, if this team needs to stay out of the tax, which I say they must, how do you get better? Nembhard, Nesmith, Toppin and TJ are signed long term. Mathurin is gonna need to be extended after the season or by 2026 off season. Then you have Walker and his large rookie deal coming around to the end in a couple yrs.

How do you stay out of the tax and build up a team to challenge the Boston, Milw, NYK level teams?

[Grang33r]

I don't see the Pacers being able to build a top 3 NBA East team when they have the 2 huge contracts of Haliburton and Siakam. We are talking about $84.3 million this year and $90.1 million next year for 2 guys. Then if you want to keep Turner he's getting $30-32 million, if this team needs to stay out of the tax, which I say they must, how do you get better? Nembhard, Nesmith, Toppin and TJ are signed long term. Mathurin is gonna need to be extended after the season or by 2026 off season. Then you have Walker and his large rookie deal coming around to the end in a couple yrs.

How do you stay out of the tax and build up a team to challenge the Boston, Milw, NYK level teams?

They won 8 of their last 11 and Haliburton is starting to play like the mega star we knew him as last season and this is what's on your mind?

Enjoy the moment. There is time to worry about other aspects later on.

[JMaster5K]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278660/Pacers-Team-To-Watch-To-Potentially-Trade-For-Cam-Johnson;-Kings-Not-Looking-To-Deal-Devin-Carter


Just gonna leave this here,…. Lol

[basketballwacko2]

I don't see the Pacers being able to build a top 3 NBA East team when they have the 2 huge contracts of Haliburton and Siakam. We are talking about $84.3 million this year and $90.1 million next year for 2 guys. Then if you want to keep Turner he's getting $30-32 million, if this team needs to stay out of the tax, which I say they must, how do you get better? Nembhard, Nesmith, Toppin and TJ are signed long term. Mathurin is gonna need to be extended after the season or by 2026 off season. Then you have Walker and his large rookie deal coming around to the end in a couple yrs.

How do you stay out of the tax and build up a team to challenge the Boston, Milw, NYK level teams?

They won 8 of their last 11 and Haliburton is starting to play like the mega star we knew him as last season and this is what's on your mind?

Enjoy the moment. There is time to worry about other aspects later on.

They should be able to beat the bad teams but they can't beat Boston, Milw or NYK like they did last year. I know they just beat the Celtics the other day but they got murdered by them in the game before.

I just don't see it working they still need size at the SF so I'm waiting for the Trade deadline to see what they do, and how the season progresses. They're gonna have to decide what to do about Turner that's a big issue.

[JeffFosters]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278660/Pacers-Team-To-Watch-To-Potentially-Trade-For-Cam-Johnson;-Kings-Not-Looking-To-Deal-Devin-Carter


Just gonna leave this here,…. Lol

Obviously it depends on the price and the whole package but I don’t hate it. Moving from Toppin to Johnson would be a big upgrade.

[Scoot McGroot]

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James Johnson is the only true non guaranteed deal for the Pacers right now, and I would assume he’s kept.

James Wiseman is technically non guaranteed, but nba contracts are guaranteed for injuries (except in specific situations), so Wiseman is now essentially guaranteed until he’s cleared to play, or until his team option date in the summer.

[Wizop]

James Johnson is the only true non guaranteed deal for the Pacers right now, and I would assume he’s kept.

I heard Carlisle was asked about this and he said Johnson isn't going anywhere.

[nrbq]

I heard Cam Johnson for Toppin Nesmith and a 1st

[Scoot McGroot]

I heard Cam Johnson for Toppin Nesmith and a 1st

Kind of, not really. Jake Fischer/Marc Stein heard Other nba front offices think Indy could have interest in Cam. Separately, Fischer/Stein worked out the math that Indy would have to salary match with Obi/Nesmith. Separately, they also said Brooklyn would want draft compensation. Aggregators merged all of those into a new thing that was never actually reported.

[JMaster5K]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278726/Pistons-Considering-Pivot-Away-From-Renting-Out-Cap-Space-At-Trade-Deadline

Kinda throws a strategic wrinkle in the trade mix? If the only team that has cap space without having to make a move,.. won't use their cap space to help some of these potential mega-trades take place,... only seems like a small wrinkle, but does complicate matters?

[SmashMouthRod]

I heard Cam Johnson for Toppin Nesmith and a 1st

I dont think Cam is good enough to give up all of that. I would like to target someone more like Lonzo Ball for that type of compensation. 6'7/8 point guard with forward length, a known + defender, a known good spot up three point shooter, can play /fit in at 1-4 (can guard certain small ball 4's) and is a more than capable additional playmaker for a team that wants to play uptempo. He can be used as a three and D wing but can also grab a rebound and push the ball himself. I like his length in the passing lanes or on switches.

[Grang33r]

I heard Cam Johnson for Toppin Nesmith and a 1st

That's a lot.

Nesmith is a big part of this team imo.

[Scoot McGroot]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278726/Pistons-Considering-Pivot-Away-From-Renting-Out-Cap-Space-At-Trade-Deadline

Kinda throws a strategic wrinkle in the trade mix? If the only team that has cap space without having to make a move,.. won't use their cap space to help some of these potential mega-trades take place,... only seems like a small wrinkle, but does complicate matters?

The one good thing of that for me, is that if they're not helping 2 or 3 teams get out of the tax, then that means the tax distributions are going to be larger for teams like Indy, as it would be split 2 or 3 less ways.

[Scoot McGroot]

From Marc Stein:

On top of his two-way effectiveness, as Fischer explained, Nembhard possesses one of the league's most attractive contracts. He's being paid barely $2 million this season, has a very reasonable three-year, $60 million contract extension kicking in next season and, because Nembhard was the first pick in the second round of the NBA Draft in 2022 as opposed to a first-rounder, faces no Poison Pill restrictions if the Pacers were willing to move him between now and the Feb. 6 trade deadline.

But that's just it: They're not.

With Indiana in the midst of a 11-3 surge, Nembhard is routinely described as one of the most prized Pacers on the roster and pretty much off-limits as the deadline approaches.

The Pacers see Nembhard as an ideal backcourt complement to Tyrese Haliburton whose exceptional defense and ability to take over the ball-handling responsibilities when necessary have helped Haliburton break out of his early season funk.

[SmashMouthRod]

From Marc Stein:

On top of his two-way effectiveness, as Fischer explained, Nembhard possesses one of the league's most attractive contracts. He's being paid barely $2 million this season, has a very reasonable three-year, $60 million contract extension kicking in next season and, because Nembhard was the first pick in the second round of the NBA Draft in 2022 as opposed to a first-rounder, faces no Poison Pill restrictions if the Pacers were willing to move him between now and the Feb. 6 trade deadline.

But that's just it: They're not.

With Indiana in the midst of a 11-3 surge, Nembhard is routinely described as one of the most prized Pacers on the roster and pretty much off-limits as the deadline approaches.

The Pacers see Nembhard as an ideal backcourt complement to Tyrese Haliburton whose exceptional defense and ability to take over the ball-handling responsibilities when necessary have helped Haliburton break out of his early season funk.

I would move Mathurin before I move Nembhard. Math is getting better. But I cant imagine paying him a big contract. I would much rather figure out how to pay and keep Myles than give Mathurin a big contract when he's up. A wing scorer/shooter/defender can be more easily replaced or even upgraded.

[xBulletproof]

From Marc Stein:

On top of his two-way effectiveness, as Fischer explained, Nembhard possesses one of the league's most attractive contracts. He's being paid barely $2 million this season, has a very reasonable three-year, $60 million contract extension kicking in next season and, because Nembhard was the first pick in the second round of the NBA Draft in 2022 as opposed to a first-rounder, faces no Poison Pill restrictions if the Pacers were willing to move him between now and the Feb. 6 trade deadline.

But that's just it: They're not.

With Indiana in the midst of a 11-3 surge, Nembhard is routinely described as one of the most prized Pacers on the roster and pretty much off-limits as the deadline approaches.

The Pacers see Nembhard as an ideal backcourt complement to Tyrese Haliburton whose exceptional defense and ability to take over the ball-handling responsibilities when necessary have helped Haliburton break out of his early season funk.

I would move Mathurin before I move Nembhard. Math is getting better. But I cant imagine paying him a big contract. I would much rather figure out how to pay and keep Myles than give Mathurin a big contract when he's up. A wing scorer/shooter/defender can be more easily replaced or even upgraded.

I'm torn on it. I like Myles, but sometimes I feel like you can get by with much less at C than other positions. Thomas is a good example. Can shoot a bit, and rebound. Done, you're fine.

I can see the reasoning going either direction. I haven't even touched on the idea of a guy like Myles being here his whole career though.

[SmashMouthRod]

From Marc Stein:

I would move Mathurin before I move Nembhard. Math is getting better. But I cant imagine paying him a big contract. I would much rather figure out how to pay and keep Myles than give Mathurin a big contract when he's up. A wing scorer/shooter/defender can be more easily replaced or even upgraded.

I'm torn on it. I like Myles, but sometimes I feel like you can get by with much less at C than other positions. Thomas is a good example. Can shoot a bit, and rebound. Done, you're fine.

I can see the reasoning going either direction. I haven't even touched on the idea of a guy like Myles being here his whole career though.

My thinking is based on the fact that Indy made the ECF without Math and Im not sure he's enough of a difference maker to put the team over the top. I believe Myles does make a difference. This season when he was off the floor before Thomas Bryant was acquired the team struggled. I think Myles fits perfect with Tyrese and Pascal. I believe that a bigger three a D wing that plays without the ball would fit better with this roster than Benn.