Oladipo Trade Ideas

[Scoot McGroot]

People who think that Raptors will give up Siakam for the damaged goods like Oladipo or for "I don't believe in myself" TURNER are crazy.

Not going to happen for one or for another or for the combination of both.

You mean the Raptors fans that are visiting? We certainly didn’t pitch it.

Nope. It was Wizop and Scoot McGroot that brought up Siakam.

Adding up all the factors: wants to leave, last year of contract, and questionable health) I think the returns for Dipo will likely be initially disappointing to the fanbase.

It was ME??

[fbalmeida]

Yup: viewtopic.php?p=85381908#p85381908

[Scoot McGroot]

Just tossing an idea out there: what would you gentlemen think about:

Ibaka (sign and trade +/- 25 M) + Powell + Davis + stuff for Oladipo and Turner, presuming that both players have indeed requested trades.

I’d think it’s better that we look for long term deals that help us rather than try and narrow our window with lesser talent.

And neither player has requested a trade. That’s joy what Weiss reported that the Wiretap misreported.

If you want both Oladipo and Turner, it’d likely require a Siakam trade, or OG/Powell plus picks.

If you read this as saying Toronto must include Siakam, I think you misunderstood. You should’ve understood it for what it meant: you don’t have enough “middle value” players to combine for a package of both Oladipo and Turner. Attempting to use lower value pieces is insulting, much like if we demanded Siakam for Oladipo straight up would be insulting for you. But if you want BOTH Turner and Oladipo, you’d like have to do it in a bigger deal where Siakam is included somehow. Doesn’t have to be to us, but to get a lot of value, you’d have to trade a lot of value.

Yup: viewtopic.php?p=85381908#p85381908

Ah. It’s ok. Now we know. You just didn’t understand. No worries. Now you might!

[fbalmeida]

If only Rob Babcock had understood that when you're giving up value in a trade you also should request a lot of value, when it was Vince Carter's turn. But that's another story.

The problem with the return value for Dipo is threefold: he wants out, has a questionable quad tendon injury, and is on the last year of his contract. The return is probably not going to make fans happy.

[Scoot McGroot]

If only Rob Babcock had understood that when you're giving up value in a trade you also should request a lot of value, when it was Vince Carter's turn. But that's another story.

The problem with the return value for Dipo is threefold: he wants out, has a questionable quad tendon injury, and is on the last year of his contract. The return is probably not going to make fans happy.

Ok. So why do you also get Turner for free?

[Scoot McGroot]

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[fbalmeida]

If only Rob Babcock had understood that when you're giving up value in a trade you also should request a lot of value, when it was Vince Carter's turn. But that's another story.

The problem with the return value for Dipo is threefold: he wants out, has a questionable quad tendon injury, and is on the last year of his contract. The return is probably not going to make fans happy.

Ok. So why do you also get Turner for free?

In my speculation dream sequence here it would be Dipo for Powell, Davis, and a 1st, + some matching contracts.
For Turner, perhaps Ibaka on a sign and trade. A sign-and-trade requires a minimum 3 year deal according to the CBA. So a 3-year guarantee would probably lower his salary to Turner's level for an easy match. Toss in another 1st...


Has Turner fit in well with Sabonis? What's your outlook on your team's frontcourt around him and how do you think Ibaka would fit in?

[Scoot McGroot]

If only Rob Babcock had understood that when you're giving up value in a trade you also should request a lot of value, when it was Vince Carter's turn. But that's another story.

The problem with the return value for Dipo is threefold: he wants out, has a questionable quad tendon injury, and is on the last year of his contract. The return is probably not going to make fans happy.

Ok. So why do you also get Turner for free?

In my speculation dream sequence here it would be Dipo for Powell, Davis, and a 1st, + some matching contracts.
For Turner, perhaps Ibaka on a sign and trade. A sign-and-trade requires a minimum 3 year deal according to the CBA. So a 3-year guarantee would probably lower his salary to Turner's level for an easy match. Toss in another 1st...


Has Turner fit in well with Sabonis? What's your outlook on your team's frontcourt around him and how do you think Ibaka would fit in?

Yeah, Turner and Sabonis are really helping together. I think Ibaka being slower and older puts us in a worse situation. Turner can guard the perimeter now with quicker 4’s, which is something Sabonis is TERRIBLE at. His allows Sabonis to guard his more “to the ground” 5’s. But, with Ibaka being similar, it means we have two pure 5’s defensively, which makes it real tough to play them together.


And remember, not all 1sts are the same. In this case, you’re offering a future 1st where you just added Turner/Oladipo for your ancillary pieces....almost for free. Added to an already top half of the East roster. So those are some super late future 1st to convince us to downgrade in age and fit from Turner to Ibaka.

[Scoot McGroot]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2020/10/01/pacers-rumors-victor-oladipo-talks-hardware-future-fat-joe/5877306002/

Fat Joe asked if Oladipo would make the choice to stay or go when it came to being on a team where he is just the star or if Oladipo needed the hardware.

"I don't know, man. That's where it gets tough you know. It's like picking your poison," Oladipo said.

Oladipo added that anyone who knows him would know he's all about winning. He's not playing for the money because, "That's how I live and breathe."

In the end, Oladipo says he just want his name to be mentioned among the greats, but says a player needs rings or trophies to make that happen.

[Topofthekey]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2020/10/01/pacers-rumors-victor-oladipo-talks-hardware-future-fat-joe/5877306002/

Fat Joe asked if Oladipo would make the choice to stay or go when it came to being on a team where he is just the star or if Oladipo needed the hardware.

"I don't know, man. That's where it gets tough you know. It's like picking your poison," Oladipo said.

Oladipo added that anyone who knows him would know he's all about winning. He's not playing for the money because, "That's how I live and breathe."

In the end, Oladipo says he just want his name to be mentioned among the greats, but says a player needs rings or trophies to make that happen.

That should put a rest to that

Turns out, it looks like it really was just a Celtics writer fantasizing about the trade

[basketballwacko2]

If only Rob Babcock had understood that when you're giving up value in a trade you also should request a lot of value, when it was Vince Carter's turn. But that's another story.

The problem with the return value for Dipo is threefold: he wants out, has a questionable quad tendon injury, and is on the last year of his contract. The return is probably not going to make fans happy.

I don't know that the story that Victor wants out is even remotely true! It's a supposition that some half wit reporter knows what he's talking about. I don't put much faith in the US Mass Media in regard to anything.

[basketballwacko2]

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I didn't hear a thing about him wanting to leave the team. He said he wants to win and win a title.

[HurricaneDij25]

I'm pretty sure our own J Michael was Jared Weiss' "sources" for claiming Oladipo was looking to leave the Pacers...

[basketballwacko2]

Ok. So why do you also get Turner for free?

In my speculation dream sequence here it would be Dipo for Powell, Davis, and a 1st, + some matching contracts.
For Turner, perhaps Ibaka on a sign and trade. A sign-and-trade requires a minimum 3 year deal according to the CBA. So a 3-year guarantee would probably lower his salary to Turner's level for an easy match. Toss in another 1st...


Has Turner fit in well with Sabonis? What's your outlook on your team's frontcourt around him and how do you think Ibaka would fit in?

Yeah, Turner and Sabonis are really helping together. I think Ibaka being slower and older puts us in a worse situation. Turner can guard the perimeter now with quicker 4’s, which is something Sabonis is TERRIBLE at. His allows Sabonis to guard his more “to the ground” 5’s. But, with Ibaka being similar, it means we have two pure 5’s defensively, which makes it real tough to play them together.


And remember, not all 1sts are the same. In this case, you’re offering a future 1st where you just added Turner/Oladipo for your ancillary pieces....almost for free. Added to an already top half of the East roster. So those are some super late future 1st to convince us to downgrade in age and fit from Turner to Ibaka.

Yeah this talk is really weak, I don't see Oladipo for Powell and some guy named Davis and some parts and a late pick, what are the parts McCaw and Stanley Johnson? Guys we'd end up cutting and or buying them out.

The Turner for Ibaka and a pick is not any where near value, who wants Ibaka at this point in his career? Who wants any of these guys? Not me that's for sure! I don't want to pay Ibaka $18-19 million a year! Forget it no deal for anyone let them expire and walk! Turner has 3 years left on his deal he signed it he's gonna have to live with it. If they want traded tough shnizzel!

[basketballwacko2]

I'm pretty sure our own J Michael was Jared Weiss' "sources" for claiming Oladipo was looking to leave the Pacers...

Well then it might as well be a stone tablet dropped off by a burning bush on Mount Sinai!!

[basketballwacko2]

So where is all this talk about Turner wanting traded coming from? Some screw heads fever dream after doing too much Oxycodone?

[Scoot McGroot]

I'm pretty sure our own J Michael was Jared Weiss' "sources" for claiming Oladipo was looking to leave the Pacers...

It’s a pretty universal rumor that has gone around that Oladipo might be looking elsewhere. It’s definitely not been from one writer or source. However, some of it is the belief that Vic might be focusing on building a brand with his singing and personal businesses.

[Scoot McGroot]

So where is all this talk about Turner wanting traded coming from? Some screw heads fever dream after doing too much Oxycodone?

No. The only mention of Turner is that he’s the most likely to be traded because he could bring back good value and allow you to possibly modernize the roster more, and that while he’d prefer to be here, he may ultimately not be upset if he were to be moved.

[Scoot McGroot]

Also, I hear this Oladipo interview and it sounds a lot like Paul George did before he said he wouldn’t re sign. Vic can absolutely control the rumors. He just doesn’t, and he makes them worse by refusing to.

[pacers33granger]

Also, I hear this Oladipo interview and it sounds a lot like Paul George did before he said he wouldn’t re sign. Vic can absolutely control the rumors. He just doesn’t, and he makes them worse by refusing to.

He very well may want out. But idk if I'd read that much into it. If he says he's definitely staying, then he's painted himself into a corner. If he says anything else, he's fueling the rumors. The non answer is the best option here.

Paul has been shown to be a guy who says what everyone wants to hear and then does what he wants anyways while throwing others under the bus. There were numerous blatant issues with him at the time. Here Vic hasn't engaged with it basically. Again, he could be on his way out but the Paul situation was it's own beast that he helped stoke.

And at the end of the day, this will be the first time Vic has been a free agent and had a chance to look around. It could be his last payday too and both sides seem to be taking a let it play out approach (basically have to with extension rules anyways)