Summer league roster

[Wizop]

I also thought Kam played like a shorter left handed Mathurin.

I didn’t watch games 1 or 3. Does he look like a legit 2nd ball handler?

legit second unit 2, but third unit 1. RayJ is a better handler now, but we can expect development.

[8305]

I also thought Kam played like a shorter left handed Mathurin.

I didn’t watch games 1 or 3. Does he look like a legit 2nd ball handler?

legit second unit 2, but third unit 1. RayJ is a better handler now, but we can expect development.

Looking at Pacers liberal use of two ball handler lineups last year (approximately 40 of 48 minutes with two of Nembhart, TJ or Ty on the floor). I’m wondering if Kam could be a better fit than Mathurin or Shephard if Pacers aim to have a ball handler at the 2?

[Pacers Forever]

Pacers vs the Knicks today at 4:30 on ESPN 2 it says

[Wizop]

Pacers vs the Knicks today at 4:30 on ESPN 2 it says

also on FanDuel. they play again Friday at 9:00 against the Pels on ESPN and that's the end of SL.

[Pacers Forever]

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Bummer but it happens every year it seems.

[Pacers Forever]

So Taelon Peter and Kam Jones are the starting guards today. We’re going to see how they dribble. Enrique playing the 5 with Wheeler and Boeheim at the forwards.

[Scoot McGroot]

So Taelon Peter and Kam Jones are the starting guards today. We’re going to see how they dribble. Enrique playing the 5 with Wheeler and Boeheim at the forwards.

Honestly, it feels like Summer League is running SO LATE this year!

[Pacers Forever]

Pacers win 91-88 over the Knicks.

Kam Jones brought the ball up most of the game with his high dribble and did ok. Taelon Peter didn’t handle the ball that much.

I think it was Caitlin that said Peter plays to not make mistakes. It’s very obvious that he defers to teammates a lot.

As the scoring shows it was Kam and Enrique doing the bulk of the work keeping the Pacers in front with a lot of help from everyone else.


Kam Jones: 21 points and 11 assists
Enrique Freeman: 18 points and 10 boards
Taelon Peter 3-5 for 7 points and 3 rebounds
Buddy Boeheim played well with 12 points

[JMaster5K]

Pacers win 91-88 over the Knicks.

Kam Jones brought the ball up most of the game with his high dribble and did ok. Taelon Peter didn’t handle the ball that much.

I think it was Caitlin that said Peter plays to not make mistakes. It’s very obvious that he defers to teammates a lot.

As the scoring shows it was Kam and Enrique doing the bulk of the work keeping the Pacers in front with a lot of help from everyone else.


Kam Jones: 21 points and 11 assists
Enrique Freeman: 18 points and 10 boards
Taelon Peter 3-5 for 7 points and 3 rebounds
Buddy Boeheim played well with 12 points

Yeah,... Kam's handle to me looks a bit weird,...but I have to admit,.. he's not turning the ball over more than anyone else. He did a lot more handling in traffic vs the Knicks,... and it didn't bother him. So, it's very, very likely nothing. Just something I need to adjust to seeing. He did play really well.

Freeman looked like he was covering more ground in this game, at least offensively. Again, could just be me relating it back to what I saw last year? He has had to play center this summer league, almost exclusively. His best games last year came at the 4. It also looks like they aren't actually running anything for him, or really even toward him. Like they already know what they have with him & are looking to see what others can do? And he is still putting up numbers like those above.

I keep being impressed with Peter on both ends. But Wizop may be right, it may be Freeman in the last two-way spot.

I have Freeman well ahead of Peter. I can see Freeman getting the last two-way and Peter an exhibit 10, but I can also see waiving Bradley, giving Freeman a standard contract, and Peter a two-way.

He has played well,... and if we have 2 guards in the other spots, it's much more likely we take a big wing as the 3rd spot?

[Scoot McGroot]

I’m not sure how it shakes out, but Freeman and Peter will be with the Pacers next year. Either on the main roster or Two Ways.

Neither will be exposed to waivers to lose their restricted or draft rights, nor to expose them to being claimed.

[Wizop]

Yeah,... Kam's handle to me looks a bit weird,...but I have to admit,.. he's not turning the ball over more than anyone else.

Caitlin has a piece on him today discussing his left hand dominance. teams will sit on his left and force him right at least for now.

[Pacers Forever]

I really want to mess with your minds Pacer faithful. Think about this. Andrew Nembhard plays the 2 position this upcoming season to start the game alongside TJ McConnell as our starting point guard.

TJ averages 18 minutes per game the last 2 seasons and 20 minutes the season prior. So after say 7-8 minutes here comes the first substitutions Benn Mathurin who will get lots of minutes in the first and second quarters to satisfy his needs and probably Jarace for Nesmith. Andrew slides over to the point until he needs a blow. Then Quenton comes in to rest Andrew and Benn is still at the 2 guard until he needs rest. Sheppard and Kam Jones mix in until it’s time in the second quarter for Andrew and TJ to close the half. Third quarter the process begins again. The fourth quarter decisions unique to each game will be made finishing the game without TJ as normal.

Possible disadvantages are that this strategy would cause TJ to ramp up his minutes played to possibly 22-25 if he could do it on a consistent basis. It would also take him from leading the second team as point guard. Let’s face it eventually he’ll step away from the game.

Possible advantages are that he will be starting in Tyrese’s position and push the fast pace just like usual. It will allow Andrew to be off ball and be possibly more of an offensive threat. TJ will still be a ball hawking pressure presence and will be driving to near the rim for his jumpers. Next it will let the second team be ran by Quenton and Kam giving them minutes opportunity.

Just a crazy thought

[JMaster5K]

I’m not sure how it shakes out, but Freeman and Peter will be with the Pacers next year. Either on the main roster or Two Ways.

Neither will be exposed to waivers to lose their restricted or draft rights, nor to expose them to being claimed.

So,... how does it work if we just don't sign Peter,... but put the required tender to him?.... It just stays open,... and we retain his draft rights for a year? (supposing of course that he would play in the G league?) We could sign him prior to next years draft?

[JMaster5K]

Yeah,... Kam's handle to me looks a bit weird,...but I have to admit,.. he's not turning the ball over more than anyone else.

Caitlin has a piece on him today discussing his left hand dominance. teams will sit on his left and force him right at least for now.

tbf,... they did the same thing, opposite direction to Tyrese his first year,... forcing him left, because he really didn't like going left,... right hand dominance issue. Tyrese's issue didn't look as prominent as Kam's,... and now that I think about it,... the height I was seeing in his dribble was when he was using his right hand,... I'm right handed, so I didn't click that he was using his off hand,...

[Pacers Forever]

I’m not sure how it shakes out, but Freeman and Peter will be with the Pacers next year. Either on the main roster or Two Ways.

Neither will be exposed to waivers to lose their restricted or draft rights, nor to expose them to being claimed.

So,... how does it work if we just don't sign Peter,... but put the required tender to him?.... It just stays open,... and we retain his draft rights for a year? (supposing of course that he would play in the G league?) We could sign him prior to next years draft?

Obviously Peter doesn’t have an announced public contract currently but I would think that somehow he’s being paid to perform in the Summer League or has an insurance policy against getting injured long term ? Maybe he gets paid retroactively. Idk ?

I do think I heard on a podcast that Peter can potentially be signed to an exhibit ten contract and then be a Boom player if it’s not currently in the cards for him to be on the roster or a two way. I’m guessing he’s heading to a two way right before training camp or exhibition game time and then the Pacers can cut Bradley or Wiseman loose and sign a player like Q, Freeman, or a free agent to the last roster spot based solely off of KP’s thumbs up to Caitlin’s tweet.

[Scoot McGroot]

I’m not sure how it shakes out, but Freeman and Peter will be with the Pacers next year. Either on the main roster or Two Ways.

Neither will be exposed to waivers to lose their restricted or draft rights, nor to expose them to being claimed.

So,... how does it work if we just don't sign Peter,... but put the required tender to him?.... It just stays open,... and we retain his draft rights for a year? (supposing of course that he would play in the G league?) We could sign him prior to next years draft?

Obviously Peter doesn’t have an announced public contract currently but I would think that somehow he’s being paid to perform in the Summer League or has an insurance policy against getting injured long term ? Maybe he gets paid retroactively. Idk ?

I do think I heard on a podcast that Peter can potentially be signed to an exhibit ten contract and then be a Boom player if it’s not currently in the cards for him to be on the roster or a two way. I’m guessing he’s heading to a two way right before training camp or exhibition game time and then the Pacers can cut Bradley or Wiseman loose and sign a player like Q, Freeman, or a free agent to the last roster spot based solely off of KP’s thumbs up to Caitlin’s tweet.

Peter could just sign his tender at any moment and require Indy to take action? If he didn't sign his tender, such as his agent and the team worked together to ensure there was a plan in place, he could sign direct with the GLeague and get assigned to the Boom. However, he would not be able to be in the big league camp with the Pacers, as he would not have ever signed a camp (exhibit 9 or 10), two way, or standard contract.

Players play in summer league with a signed agreement of liability, with the teams picking up a very small amount of any possible fees or insurance coverage. It's still a major risk for the player, though agents often times contract out for temporary insurance in case of injury.

We could absolutely sign Peter to an exhibit ten. This would simply allow the Pacers to bring him to camp, and assign him to either a two way spot, or main roster spot, at a later time (but before the season begins). However, if we wished for him to end up with the Boom, but not have a two way or main roster spot, we would waive him from camp, and then he would be entered in the GLeague draft, with no assurance he would end up with the Pacers/Boom, though it often happens.

I would guess that Peter gets a Two Way, ultimately. It may be via an exhibit ten and assigned to a Two Way later. But ultimately, we're going to see Ray J, Q, Freeman, Peter, Bradley, and Wiseman competing for the 3 Two Way spots and 2 possible final main roster spots in camp. My blind guess is that Indy promotes Q to the main roster, waives Bradley, and brings RayJ, Peter, and Freeman in on Two Way's, though we could also see RayJ waived and Q/Peter/Freeman on the Two Ways.

[Wizop]

We could absolutely sign Peter to an exhibit ten. This would simply allow the Pacers to bring him to camp, and assign him to either a two way spot, or main roster spot, at a later time (but before the season begins). However, if we wished for him to end up with the Boom, but not have a two way or main roster spot, we would waive him from camp, and then he would be entered in the GLeague draft, with no assurance he would end up with the Pacers/Boom, though it often happens.

I thought an Exhibit 10 with an appropriate dollar amount, gave the team G League rights after a waiver. am I mistaken?

[Scoot McGroot]

We could absolutely sign Peter to an exhibit ten. This would simply allow the Pacers to bring him to camp, and assign him to either a two way spot, or main roster spot, at a later time (but before the season begins). However, if we wished for him to end up with the Boom, but not have a two way or main roster spot, we would waive him from camp, and then he would be entered in the GLeague draft, with no assurance he would end up with the Pacers/Boom, though it often happens.

I thought an Exhibit 10 with an appropriate dollar amount, gave the team G League rights after a waiver. am I mistaken?

Not always. And another team can sneak in and sign and waive after you to steal them. And you can only steer so many to your GLeague team, etc. New players can be GLeague draft eligible, and on.

Mostly, and exhibit ten provides the team some level of injury protection, the ability to assign contracts for eligible players into two ways, and provides the player a bonus if they play the required amount of games for your affiliate in the GLeague.

Plus, if you waive a guy in hopes of them hitting your GLeague team, another team can claim them. Or sign them any time. There’s no right of restriction or team control.

[Wizop]

There’s no right of restriction or team control.

So the only riskless way to keep Q, RayJ, Freeman, and Peter is to give one on them a standard contract so the other three can get two-ways.

[Pacers Forever]

Final summer league game tonight. No Furphy, Q, Peter, or Jones. Ray J and Enrique leading the team tonight vs the Pelicans.