Shams: Pacers Moving toward Rebuild; Receptive to Trade Talks

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I like that he keeps track. Shows that we only have 8 players under contract next season with team option on Brissett and Sykes. Of course a little control over Washington and Taylor who are currently 2 ways. I guess they have first dibs on them next season?

[Scoot McGroot]

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I like that he keeps track. Shows that we only have 8 players under contract next season with team option on Brissett and Sykes. Of course a little control over Washington and Taylor who are currently 2 ways. I guess they have first dibs on them next season?

Sykes and Brissett are under contract for next year, but non guaranteed. It’s a small mechanical difference in how it operates. Non guaranteed guys would have to go through waivers, while team option guys become free agents directly. It comes into play with some non 1st round pick rookie guys.

Taylor and Washington can be made restricted free agents with a qualifying offer of at least a two way contract with $50k guaranteed. Or, we could make them a standard contract qualifying offer. But yes, first dibs, in a way.

[Wizop]

Rubio, Thompson, and Smith probably go but we have 3 draftees and the 3rd may be high enough to get more than a two way. Washington and Taylor could earn regular deals. Sykes could be caught in a numbers crunch and keeping Lance could be hard if Warren is healthy.

Is there room for Brogdon? Brissett?

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[Pacers Forever]

Rubio, Thompson, and Smith probably go but we have 3 draftees and the 3rd may be high enough to get more than a two way. Washington and Taylor could earn regular deals. Sykes could be caught in a numbers crunch and keeping Lance could be hard if Warren is healthy.

Is there room for Brogdon? Brissett?

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I omitted that no way in &$@! I bring Thompson back in my example. I’m not high on his character.

[Scoot McGroot]

So, with all that done, we’re at maybe the following lineup

Haliburton/McConnell/Sykes
Brogdon/Buddy/Washington
Duarte/Lance/Warren
Jackson/Brissett/Taylor/Smith
Turner/Goga/Thompson

With Rubio in Spain. Obviously, Warren, McConnell, Turner, and Brogdon are out differing amounts of time, so,the spots move around them. I think Brissett could get some time at the 3. Taylor could play all,over the board. We could see a lot of funky lineups with most any 2 of the players listed at PF/C playing together in almost any combo. Lance could play anywhere 1-3. Duarte plays 2-3. It’s gonna get weird. I just hope,we see Haliburton mostly as a 1 and we just unleash him there. Let’s see what he can do when solely playing that role.

[Pacers Forever]

Will be interesting as Fox brought the ball up most of the time I have watched the Kings. I’m hoping his handles are good.

It’s also was fun hearing the Kings announcers when Buddy gets hot shooting 3’s. Buddy Love ! It was the same kind of thing like Slick with his Boom Baby.

Buddy’s not shy lol. He loves to launch those 3’s kinda like Seth Curry/ Dame style.

[City of Trees]

Will be interesting as Fox brought the ball up most of the time I have watched the Kings. I’m hoping his handles are good.

It’s also was fun hearing the Kings announcers when Buddy gets hot shooting 3’s. Buddy Love ! It was the same kind of thing like Slick with his Boom Baby.

Buddy’s not shy lol. He loves to launch those 3’s kinda like Seth Curry/ Dame style.

He could improve his handle, especially when he's isolated against a defender, but as you see in this clip he is more than capable of bringing the ball up and getting off his own shot.

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[Wizop]

So, with all that done, we’re at maybe the following lineup

Haliburton/McConnell/Sykes
Brogdon/Buddy/Washington
Duarte/Lance/Warren
Jackson/Brissett/Taylor/Smith
Turner/Goga/Thompson

With Rubio in Spain.

Rubio makes 17 with Washington and Taylor on two-ways.

With McConnell out, I'd put Lance as the second name on the top line rather than as a SF. It's pretty obvious that with Warren out (and Holiday and Craig gone) we really don't have depth at 3. I suppose Brissett and Taylor can play there but long term I have to hope the draft gives us another true tall Wing so Duarte can stay at SG.

[Wizop]

John Hollinger on theAthletic wrapping up the week of trades:

I still consider Indiana the trade deadline’s biggest winner

[BooomBaby]

John Hollinger on theAthletic wrapping up the week of trades:

I still consider Indiana the trade deadline’s biggest winner

Wether that's true, or not, remains to be seen.

All I know is that I'm thankful we are finally moving into a new (youth) direction, now please get rid of Brogdon and Miles next.

[Wizop]

now please get rid of Brogdon and Miles next.

I don't see anything to be gained by dumping Turner. as promising as Jackson is, I hope he develops into a 4 and can play with Turner. Goga is no more than a nice backup.

Brogdon is our leading scorer but the backcourt of the future looks to be Hali and Duarte so I'm fine selling high on Brogdon in the summer.

[boomershadow]

I have to admit, I was still hoping that Turner for Wiseman or Kuminga would happen even after the Sabonis trade.

[Pacers Forever]

I have to admit, I was still hoping that Turner for Wiseman or Kuminga would happen even after the Sabonis trade.

I also was hoping for Kuminga or a cheap young player at 3,4, or 5 position to lower Turner’s salary slot. Going forward I’m not convinced that we need to spend so much on a center when the game is currently more about 3 point shooting and not about a dominant player like Ewing or Olajuwon.

[Topofthekey]

now please get rid of Brogdon and Miles next.

I don't see anything to be gained by dumping Turner. as promising as Jackson is, I hope he develops into a 4 and can play with Turner. Goga is no more than a nice backup.

Brogdon is our leading scorer but the backcourt of the future looks to be Hali and Duarte so I'm fine selling high on Brogdon in the summer.

100% this

But I worry that if the fit between Brogdon and Haliburton turns out to be awkward, it might lead to the Turner-Sabonis situation all over again, except this time at the 1 instead of 5

I think it wasn't that Pacers were stubborn about holding onto both Turner and Sabonis, it was probably more that other teams thought Pacers HAD to trade one of them and thus were trying to get one of them for a discount

It's fortunate that Pacers managed to hold out long enough to get a decent return in a Turner/Sabonis trade instead of caving in and trading one of them on a discount

But I can see a repeat of the entire saga, this time playing out with Brogdon and Haliburton

I hope I'm wrong. I hope they can get a decent trade for Brogdon without having to drag the situation out

[Topofthekey]

My updated to trade list


Brogdon
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LeVert
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TJM
Turner/Sabonis
Craig


Brogdon:
As stated in my post above, I hope they can find a trade for Brogdon soon. I'm not a fan of having to play Brogdon or Duarte at 3. Although I can certainly see it being acceptable. Like how playing Sabonis at 4 beside Turner was acceptable. But ideally I'd want to move on from Brogdon and appoint Haliburton as the sole starting PG of the team. Pacers are in a great position right now following the trade deadline. The Brogdon situation is my only worry

TJM:
I still feel he's too expensive as a backup PG. I'm not opposed to keeping him, but I think ideally we trade him for some small assets, and sign Rubio to replace him. Besides, Lance and Sykes can also provide some backup PG minutes. Would love to flip McConnell, even without re-signing Rubio

Turner:
Sabonis is gone, so it makes sense to keep Turner. Especially given how much love he's shown the franchise, and how excited he reportedly is to play with Haliburton. But damn it Myles, if you spent more time improving your game instead of flirting with TikTok models on social media, you would probably have gotten a much bigger role on the team by now. I have no problem with keeping him at all; in fact I like the idea. But I can see a world where Pacers end up trading him instead. Maybe they drafted Chet Holmgren. Maybe they signed Ayton to a max contract. Something something

[El Hespiritu]

Supposedly could still some move happening before March the 1st.

Maybe we'll buy out someone, maybe we'll buy in someone...
I don't dare to say this is the final roster for rest of the season 'til then.

[Scoot McGroot]

This pod got me re thinking the “trade Brogdon at all costs” this summer thing. Like, he was over his head as the primary distributor (when he should’ve been schemed to share those duties with Sabonis), but if he accepts and embraces being the secondary hub/ball handler after Hali? Could be interesting. He is a GREAT off ball catch and shoot guy (they mention 86th percentile In the league), and has never played with a guy that could get him the ball to succeed like Hali. And guarding the 2 rather than the 1? Just seems to succeed. And if Duarte is played at the 3, he could do well not having to carry an offense but succeed in it. Just, re thought some things. But, watch us deal Brigdon, Turner, Buddy, McConnell, etc and just burn it all down this summer now

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This pod got me re thinking the “trade Brogdon at all costs” this summer thing. Like, he was over his head as the primary distributor (when he should’ve been schemed to share those duties with Sabonis), but if he accepts and embraces being the secondary hub/ball handler after Hali? Could be interesting. He is a GREAT off ball catch and shoot guy (they mention 86th percentile In the league), and has never played with a guy that could get him the ball to succeed like Hali. And guarding the 2 rather than the 1? Just seems to succeed. And if Duarte is played at the 3, he could do well not having to carry an offense but succeed in it. Just, re thought some things. But, watch us deal Brigdon, Turner, Buddy, McConnell, etc and just burn it all down this summer now

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My thoughts exactly. I wonder if Hali doesn't bring a lot of the same stuff as LeMelo Ball? Having to play in a somewhat disfunctional system and next to Fox masked that ability. If you've got a guy like that wouldn't you want to surround him with shooters and play an up tempo game? Duarte, Turner, Brogdan seems to me to fit that bill nicely. Say the top 5 in the draft are BAnchero, Smith, Hoomgren, Ivey, Griffin. Any of the bigs would in theory fit right in. IF we wind up with Sharpe, Ivey or Griffin then Bargdan could mess with minutes I"d think should be invested in the young player.

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My thoughts exactly. I wonder if Hali doesn't bring a lot of the same stuff as LeMelo Ball? Having to play in a somewhat disfunctional system and next to Fox masked that ability. If you've got a guy like that wouldn't you want to surround him with shooters and play an up tempo game? Duarte, Turner, Brogdan seems to me to fit that bill nicely. Say the top 5 in the draft are BAnchero, Smith, Hoomgren, Ivey, Griffin. Any of the bigs would in theory fit right in. IF we wind up with Sharpe, Ivey or Griffin then Bargdan could mess with minutes I"d think should be invested in the young player.

Yeah.

Though, if we had guard come to us in the draft, like you suggest, I could now see a similar argument for Hayward instead of Brogdon for much the same reasons. :dodgestomatoes: Though, Hayward would kind of have to play the 4, with Duarte at the 3 long term in that case.

[Tom White]

Though, if we had guard come to us in the draft, like you suggest, I could now see a similar argument for Hayward instead of Brogdon for much the same reasons. :dodgestomatoes: Though, Hayward would kind of have to play the 4, with Duarte at the 3 long term in that case.

If Hayward did not have Indiana ties, would people still have any high level of interest in him?

When speaking of Hayward vs Brogdon, aren't you talking about one injury plagued player vs another?

I'd like to see the team move away from those sorts of problems.