It’ll be interesting to see how Turner responds next season

[8305]

If you were the Pacers, how much would you worry about being outbid with no sign and trade possibility?

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What day of the week is it? I go back and forth on this question pretty regularly. After the 2nd Net game I'm wondering what's taking so long to get this trade done. Then I watch the game last night and think how cool it would be to have an all star center right now. Over the summer I maintained that Myles would be a much more impactful player if he got to play the 5 exclusively. A few more games like last night and he will have made a case for that. Historically, he follows up monster games with multiple games where he looks like a journeyman.

Back to the basic question, some days I think it would be management mal practice to risk losing him for nothing. If that's a real possibility you got to trade him.

[Wizop]

If you were the Pacers, how much would you worry about being outbid with no sign and trade possibility?

personally, not very much. I want to keep him enough to risk losing him instead of trading him which loses him for sure. he's just a much better fit for the up tempo offense Haliburton has us in that what we ran before. Turner said post game that he thinks the way he can defeat the bigger, stronger centers is to out run them. he did that last night.

[8305]

If you were the Pacers, how much would you worry about being outbid with no sign and trade possibility?

personally, not very much. I want to keep him enough to risk losing him instead of trading him which loses him for sure. he's just a much better fit for the up tempo offense Haliburton has us in that what we ran before. Turner said post game that he thinks the way he can defeat the bigger, stronger centers is to out run them. he did that last night.

Playing the style we play right now gives Myles a better chance of playing bigger slower guys off the floor. If he can do that consistently he's an all-star. Does that increase the likelihood of resigning him this summer? It would be a shame to keep him around, have him play at a high level, lift us out of the draft range where a core player is more likely to be drafted and then have him leave.

[Wizop]

Playing the style we play right now gives Myles a better chance of playing bigger slower guys off the floor. If he can do that consistently he's an all-star. Does that increase the likelihood of resigning him this summer?

It's all about the Benjamins. It increases the likelihood that he'll deserve the big raise he's hoping for. does it also increase our willingness to meet his demand? time will tell.

[Topofthekey]

I think as long as they are willing to spend money (and I think they should), the risk of losing Turner for nothing should be minimal

The front loaded contract idea had been brought up a few times, and honestly I think it's a win-win for both Pacers and Turner. Pacers aren't expected to have to pay anyone in the next two years or so, so front loading Turner's contract makes sense. It also makes sense for Turner, because money upfront is better than money later

I actually think the hold up is with the Pacers side. Speculation, but I think Turner hasn't signed because Pacers haven't offered him the contract that he wants, and Pacers haven't offered Turner the contract that he wants because they don't want to end up overpaying

The end result is the current situation, where both camps adopt the wait and see attitude

[Wizop]

If he can do what he did last night he's worth as much as Rudy Gobert.

but Rudy signed a 200mm deal averaging around 40mm a year. If Turner thinks he will deserve what Rudy got, there is no way he's signing an extension for a starting deal of 29mm that declines.

while I've said, I'd risk losing him for nothing, if Pacer management thinks his market value is going to be 40mm a year and they know they don't want to pay that much, then they should trade him. which doesn't mean they should take what the Lakers want to give.

[basketballwacko2]

If he can do what he did last night he's worth as much as Rudy Gobert.

but Rudy signed a 200mm deal averaging around 40mm a year. If Turner thinks he will deserve what Rudy got, there is no way he's signing an extension for a starting deal of 29mm that declines.

while I've said, I'd risk losing him for nothing, if Pacer management thinks his market value is going to be 40mm a year and they know they don't want to pay that much, then they should trade him. which doesn't mean they should take what the Lakers want to give.

I was saying I can see him being as valuable as Gobert. He will need to have a couple of years of good health and production for that to be the case.

[countryboy667]

Am I the only one who has never understood this push to trade Turner? The guy is gold--he's what every franchise wants--an elite rim protecting big who can stretch the floor!

He's got a year left on his contract, he's only 26-27, of an age where he can yet grow with the young core of Haliburton, Mathurin, Smith, Jackson, Duarte and others. Never have understood why they would want to take on Wastebrook, even with two 1st round picks, and picks are always an iffy proposition. You've got a valuable, known quantity in this young man. Yeah he might split--but he has said his heart is in Indian, and if they were willing to offer Ayton big $$$, why not spend it to keep the winner you've got?\\I like the look of this bunch of young talents, including Turner. They've got other tradeable assets they could dangle to get that three and D wing they want. Let's let these guys work together and maybe FINALLY win a title in a few years.

[Grang33r]

Am I the only one who has never understood this push to trade Turner? The guy is gold--he's what every franchise wants--an elite rim protecting big who can stretch the floor!

I think a major reason was that Pacers have not been winning with him on the team at any point and also he's not the best rebounder in the world for someone his size and build. He's having a great season.

He's got a year left on his contract, he's only 26-27, of an age where he can yet grow with the young core of Haliburton, Mathurin, Smith, Jackson, Duarte and others.

He only has 8 months left with the Pacers on his contract. If the Pacers are out of it by February and he's not willing to sign any long term deal, the only option they'll have is to trade him.

[countryboy667]

Am I the only one who has never understood this push to trade Turner? The guy is gold--he's what every franchise wants--an elite rim protecting big who can stretch the floor!

I think a major reason was that Pacers have not been winning with him on the team at any point and also he's not the best rebounder in the world for someone his size and build. He's having a great season.

Historically bigs who play the five often have a tendency to reach their peak later than players at other positions. I've seen a lot of cases like that in the decades I've been watching the NBA. Turner is not atypical in that respect. 8.5 boards a game isn't Chamberlain or Russell stats, but it's good enough with what else he contributes, especially now that he's playing with Smith and Jackson who do their share. "Superman" Jokic only had four (! 4 !) against them last night.

As I said, if they were willing to throw big money at Ayton--who IMO is in no way a major upgrade over Turner in any respect--why not spend that money trying to keep him here?

Like the old song says, you don't know what you've got till it's gone. I have this sickening vision of him going elsewhere (and it hurts my arse thinking of him being with the damned Lakers) and absolutely tearing it up and winning a ring the Simons have been too damned cheap to really work toward bringin a title to Indianapolis.

[Wizop]

He only has 8 months left with the Pacers on his contract. If the Pacers are out of it by February and he's not willing to sign any long term deal, the only option they'll have is to trade him.

being unwilling to sign a long term deal in February does not mean that he won't be willing to sign a long term deal in August after his agent can tell him what other offers are out there. granted letting him become a free agent risks losing him for nothing but trading him in February is not the only option, perhaps it is the safest option but it is not the only option.

[8305]

He only has 8 months left with the Pacers on his contract. If the Pacers are out of it by February and he's not willing to sign any long term deal, the only option they'll have is to trade him.

being unwilling to sign a long term deal in February does not mean that he won't be willing to sign a long term deal in August after his agent can tell him what other offers are out there. granted letting him become a free agent risks losing him for nothing but trading him in February is not the only option, perhaps it is the safest option but it is not the only option.

I agree trading him is not the only option.
The question, how much value do we risk losing if he isn’t traded and walks this summer. The two LA FRP’s if unprotected could be appreciating assets that could be very valuable trade assets 2-3 years down the road. That times out pretty nicely with our young core.

Next question how good could we be this year with Myles and Buddy staying?
Next question, could a great season for Myles playing with Hali counter all the awkward time Pacers and Myles have endured. Might Pacers see their way to paying Myles and Myles want to stay in Indiana?

[Wizop]

Next question, could a great season for Myles playing with Hali counter all the awkward time Pacers and Myles have endured. Might Pacers see their way to paying Myles and Myles want to stay in Indiana?

I think that's the best case scenario even though getting there involves considerable risk.

[Scoot McGroot]

He only has 8 months left with the Pacers on his contract. If the Pacers are out of it by February and he's not willing to sign any long term deal, the only option they'll have is to trade him.

being unwilling to sign a long term deal in February does not mean that he won't be willing to sign a long term deal in August after his agent can tell him what other offers are out there. granted letting him become a free agent risks losing him for nothing but trading him in February is not the only option, perhaps it is the safest option but it is not the only option.

By August, Turner will have LONG signed a contract. He’ll have an offer committed on July 1, I assume.


But, whether or not we’re willing to pay stil l doesn’t determine anything. Maybe he’ll take the most money. Maybe he just wants a fresh look elsewhere. We just don’t know, and based on last history, the Pacers aren’t willing to wait and see on anyone who has value.

[basketballwacko2]

If the threads in the T&T are any indication of the value of Turner it doesn't look good for a trade. The fact that he's playing pretty well seems lost on the masterminds of RealGM.

[Wizop]

By August, Turner will have LONG signed a contract. He’ll have an offer committed on July 1.

By August I meant in the next league year. If that now happens in July, fine. I don't see him signing in this league year, but time will tell.

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[Grang33r]

If the threads in the T&T are any indication of the value of Turner it doesn't look good for a trade. The fact that he's playing pretty well seems lost on the masterminds of RealGM.

I'm not surprised. The Lakers offer that keeps on popping up seems very underwhelming. Earlier today i read on twitter that the Clippers may be interested too? No clue what they could offer but it doesn't seem to me they can offer anything nicer then what the Lakers can off?

What's been the best trade proposal you've seen on the T&T board?

[basketballwacko2]

If the threads in the T&T are any indication of the value of Turner it doesn't look good for a trade. The fact that he's playing pretty well seems lost on the masterminds of RealGM.

I'm not surprised. The Lakers offer that keeps on popping up seems very underwhelming. Earlier today i read on twitter that the Clippers may be interested too? No clue what they could offer but it doesn't seem to me they can offer anything nicer then what the Lakers can off?

What's been the best trade proposal you've seen on the T&T board?

I haven't seen a thread on the T&T that's worth talking about. There is one on there now about the Clippers interest suggesting Norman Powell and some 2028 or 29 #1 pick. Powell who is 6'3'' and listed as a SF who makes $74 million over the next 4 seasons!! I'd need 2 #1's to take him into space, considering his undersized SF and he's really a SG and don't we have 5-6 guys who are 6'5'' to 6'6''? Buddy is a better player, there's Nesmith, Nembard, Duarte...


You know a couple of years ago I said Buddy was 30% over paid but he looks to be not far off of a good value now. I think come deadline time someone might just give up what the cavs did or even more.

[Scoot McGroot]

For those wondering about all the Turner numbers available and options, Keith Smith (Smitty) wrote up an article for Spotrac.

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[Wizop]

For those wondering about all the Turner numbers available and options, Keith Smith (Smitty) wrote up an article for Spotrac.

Read on Twitter

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