Pacers as facilitator in 3 team

[MNPacersfan]

So, with all the expiring cap space, what are the chances that the Pacers can help two other teams facilitate a deal? Dream big friends, like this...

Cleveland gives LeBron (s+t) and Chesty Gibson to CHI
Chicago give Deng to CLE and Hinrich to the Pacers
Pacers give Dunleavy to CLE

CLE plugs the hole at the 3 and gets rid of the (bad) Gibson contract. CHI get LeBron and the Gibson pill is easy to swallow. Pacers get the point guard we crave...

Any other ideas?

[Boneman2]

Hinrich has essentially the same contract as Harris, even though I like Harris better, the prospect of keeping our pick is nice.

If we could shop our expirings to obtain a pg w/o having to give up our pick, that would be nice.

What about Okafor/Collison/Peterson for Murphy/Ford. Sure Omeka makes about 12 mill per/x4, but that is the going rate for a double-double starting PF who offers defense. You can give 10 mill to Kirk or 12 mill to Okafor. Sure his stats were down this season but so were his minutes, due to the Hornets having another good pf in David West. Okafor could easily average a double-double in our system, but instead of it coming from the perimeter, he'll become our best low-post threat, allowing Hibbert to concentrate on his short-to-mid range game. This would add more balance to our attack led by the promise of Darren.

Hibbert/ Foster/Solo
Okafor/Hansbrough/McBob
Granger/ Jones
Dunleavy/Rush/Peterson
Collison/Price

Instead of letting everyone expire at the same time, this trade confirms to Danny that we are ready to compete with him as our leader, beyond 2011. It also fills out our roster quite nicely. With the tenth pick we could target a sg, Wes Johnson or Xavier Henry.

[Dunthreevy]

I want no part of Okafor's contract. He has a history of bad wheels and with our luck he would be injured again before the all-star break.

The only way I'd take on Okafor would be if he passed an extensive physical, and we didn't have to give up anything other than an expiring, which New Orleans was supposedly shopping him for last season. Maybe we do it, maybe we don't. I wouldn't be completely upset about it as long as he returns to his form that he typically has when we play against him. He has a history of destroying us.

[ardthomp]

How about this three team trade (albeit, a BIT unlikely and based on if NJ gets the first pick in the lottery):

Pacers get-
* Brandon Bass (from ORL)
* Devin Harris (from NJ)

Magic get-
* Yi Jianlian (from NJ)

Nets get-
* Troy Murphy (from IND)
* Pacers 2nd round pick (via DAL)

[Dunthreevy]

Why would Orlando essentially GIVE us Brandon Bass?

[granger05]

Why is it considered "dreaming big" to swap Dunleavy for Hinrich? I like Hinrich and all, but if they're both healthy he and Dunleavy seem to be a wash. We certainly need a PG more than another SF, but is it worth another year of salary when we're not contending either way? I'd rather get a prospect or a pick in any facilitating we may do.

[Scoot McGroot]

I'd consider it crap to swap Dunleavy for Hinrich. I just haven't seen it in Hinrich's play that he's a valuable player anymore, but he's paid like a great one for 2 more years. I'd rather just ride out Dunleavy's deal, and see if we can somehow find an actual answer at PG somehow, instead of just a crappy "bide your time" option.

[MNPacersfan]

What about Okafor/Collison/Peterson for Murphy/Ford.

This is pretty much the trade that I made in NBA Live not long ago. What are we facilitating here though?

[Boneman2]

What about Okafor/Collison/Peterson for Murphy/Ford.

This is pretty much the trade that I made in NBA Live not long ago. What are we facilitating here though?

Okafor seems like a risk, but getting Collison w/o giving up the #10 would be worth it.

You mentioned NBA Live, Does this trade seem outlandish? Obviously they have CP3(pg)& David West (pf). They could move two b/u's while acquiring two comparable b/u's that expire, offering them immediate savings.

[MNPacersfan]

Why is it considered "dreaming big" to swap Dunleavy for Hinrich?

Good opint, I should have put the dream big after the 3-way deal.

[MNPacersfan]

What about Okafor/Collison/Peterson for Murphy/Ford.

This is pretty much the trade that I made in NBA Live not long ago. What are we facilitating here though?

Okafor seems like a risk, but getting Collison w/o giving up the #10 would be worth it.

You mentioned NBA Live, Does this trade seem outlandish? Obviously they have CP3(pg)& David West (pf). They could move two b/u's while acquiring two comparable b/u's that expire, offering them immediate savings.

Collison is really valuable, Ford is essentially worthless (although he may play nice in a contract year) and Okafor showed us that he can stay healthy and play C last year. I think that getting Collison would involve getting Stojakovic's contract, not getting Okafor. Salary relief wouldn't be enough to pry a couple of Bowar favorites away unless a portion of the salary relief was taking back bad contracts.

[Scoot McGroot]

Okafor is the bad contract. He's got 4 years left. Peja is expiring after the upcoming year. I doubt they'd give up Collison to simply swap Peja's expiring for another expiring.

[Boneman2]

Ford is essentially worthless (although he may play nice in a contract year)

MNPacerfan you're saying Ford will play well next season. In the right system he'd be fine. If you remember Ford was getting mentioned as a possible all-star 25 games into his tenure with us, I don't know wtf happened.

Also thanks for clearing up the bad contract Scoot, I thought it was obvious.

[MNPacersfan]

Ford is essentially worthless (although he may play nice in a contract year)

MNPacerfan you're saying Ford will play well next season. In the right system he'd be fine. If you remember Ford was getting mentioned as a possible all-star 25 games into his tenure with us, I don't know wtf happened.

Also thanks for clearing up the bad contract Scoot, I thought it was obvious.

I said he may play nice. It's 50/50. I don't know what the right system is for him. He doesn't like to break or draw and kick. I think that the right system would have to be the, "Give TJ screens until he can finally find a shot that he likes and don't criticize him when he takes bad shots or forces you to take them late in the clock."
He's really talented and he's a great athlete. It's pretty sad that he's proven to be unwilling to play a more traditional point guard role.

I was thinking Peja had 2 years left, totally my fault there. I still don't see Okafor's contract as bad. How many centers have his size, timing and rebounding smarts? That pushes him into $10-$12 mill territory - disclaimer: after the next CBA that may not be true... That last year or his deal (2013-14) at 14.5 mill is pretty brutal, but for the next couple years he's in the sweet spot for a strong defensive center that can score when asked to do so.
I don't think that he can play the 4 (which he'd be doing with the Pacers). He's a little too slow to keep up with some of the stronger 4's out there and not at all rangey on offense.

[8305]

Ok if the assignment is dream big, here goes. Convince Bosh that he and Granger would be a killer combination around which a contender could be built.

Trade Murphy, Dunleavy, Ford and our 2010 1st round pick for Bosh (S&T) and Calderon. Toronto moves a bad contract and gets immediate help in their rebuild.

Starting line up
pg Calderon Price
sg Rush D. Jones
c Hibbert Foster
sf Granger 2010 2nd round pick
pf Bosh Hansbrough and McRoberts

If everyone is healthy that is a pretty good team.

[ardthomp]

Why would Orlando essentially GIVE us Brandon Bass?

Bass isn't much of a regular rotation player and they would save money. Bass played 50 games in the regular season (13mpg) for the Magic and has only played 9 minutes in the playoffs.