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According to this: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68071/20100711/knicks_to_explore_trading_chandler/ The Knicks are trying to trade a outside-shooting big man and also want to be active in free agency next summer. So it is likely they are trying to get Troy Murphy due to his expiring contract.

However, the Knicks don't have what we want, a starting point guard. They are shopping Wilson Chandler. So I think we should call the Wizards to get in.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a2u8ht

Wizards
trade: Kirk Hinrich ; get: Eddie Curry and Wilson Chandler
Knicks
trade: Eddie Curry and Wilson Chandler ; get: Troy Murphy
Pacers
trade: Troy Murphy ; get: Kirk Hinrich

We then get our starting point guard. Next, we should deal with T.J. Ford, since he cannot fit in JOB's system. The news just report: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68075/20100712/raptors_to_acquire_barbosa_diaw_by_dealing_turkoglu/

The Bobcats will receive a trade player exception by sending Boris Diaw to Toronto. They just lost Felton this summer. So we can trade Ford for this trade player exception and probably, a future pick.

That leaves the roster like this...

C Hibbert / Foster / Solo
PF McRoberts / Hansbrough / Rolle
SF Granger / George / Dunleavy
SG Rush / Dahntay / Stephenson
PG Hinrich / Price

Looks pretty well. And we could sign a back-up point guard, such as Shawn Livingston, or Acie Law.

Or, maybe we should clear up some space for George and Stephenson, like trading Dahntay Jones to Boston for Avery Bradley. The Celtics are now having trouble to fill their back-up wing players.

Thoughts?

Interesting idea. I mean we get our starting point guard that we've been looking for. And Murphy was looking pretty likely to be traded at times.
But yeah...I'm not sure.

Uhhhhhh I think if we wanted Hinrich, we could probably get him straight up for Dunleavy's expiring. Wizards only took him to get the pick and then likely ship him elsewhere, since they don't need him at all with Wall and Arenas there.


Fact is, Murphy is a better player on a better contract than Hinrich. No way we'd do the above deal.

Hinrich's value was basically established as cap space minus a mid round pick. He is not suddenly worth a rebounding, shooting, expiring big man.



I'd rather trade dunleavy straight up for calderon, even.

^ That's a good proposal, IMO.
But i don't think the Bobcats are interested in TJ Ford. With the loss of Diaw, maybe we can offer them Dunleavy instead? But that too might not work.

I would trade any of our expiring contracts for Hinrich.

What the..... I suggested Dunleavy for Hinrich straight up a while ago and everyone was pretty much against it. Hinrich has noticeably declined, but dangit, he's better than anything we'd get on the open market. We'd have a competent point guard for 2 years, which is nice.

But I would not trade Murphy for him - Murphy has way more value than him. Murphy's a better player, more useful to more teams, and expires after this season.

Dunleavy, or Ford, I would do. I suggested Dunleavy because I feel like Washington would like to get a wing of Dunleavy's skill set in there much more than an unplayable PG in Ford.

If it ended up with Dunleavy for Hinrich, I'd say, 'ok. we got our point guard. fair enough.'

But I just think the potential upside with Calderon is greater. I genuinely think he could have a resurgence. In 07-08, the guy led the league in A/TO ratio, had 50-40-90 percentages, and was fifth in the league in assists. People were in LOVE with him.

Next season, Ford was shipped out, firmly cementing Calderon as the guy. He signed his big new contract, had a bit of an injury, sam mitchell was the coach, JO was a complete and total bust, season was a waste.

Next season, Turkoglu and Jack both come in taking over a lot of the ball-handling/distribution that made Calderon so good.




I truly think that if we got him in here and said, "Jose, run the offense. You're the guy" he'd have a huge rejuvenation. And nobody would be talking about how bad his contract is, or how bad his defense is.

Could be worse things that happen. But I doubt either trade will happen.

8305 wrote:I would trade any of our expiring contracts for Hinrich.

I would not.


I wouldn't trade anything we have right now, since HInrich would immediately become our worst contract, and we would be looking to dump him next offseason, much like we are looking to do with TJ now.


He's simply got to prove his worth on someone else's dime. I'd rather play "Insert Expiring Contract here" at PG since HInrich is guaranteed to not be considerably better (at least not the $16 million or so more he's owed over a vet minimum guy) than any vet minimum guy we sign.

Hell, he's not guaranteed to be $8 million better than TJ Ford, let alone better enough to start hamstringing our true ability to absorb contracts for ACTUALLY good players next offseason.



Seriously, let's just play TJ Ford and Lance Stephenson until AJ comes back around March if we're at the point where we're looking at Hinrich as worth $17 million or so.

Is Hinrich that bad? I don't think so.

Sure, when you see his numbers, his contract is overpaid. But he's been a good back-up for Derrick Rose. A nice 3pt shooter with solid defense. Isn't that just what we need at point guard that fits JOB's system?

Also, his contract last only for two more years, and getting smaller in 2011-12, which means if he would not fit the Pacers, he still can be traded easily. As you can see, his contract looks not good, but not that bad, either.

The most important part is, we need a point guard. While Ford could not fit, and Price could be out until November, the Pacers should do nothing but upgrade this position. And when you see the point guards in the league, other than the top five: CP3, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd and Billups, who else can we get?

Rondo and Rose is untouchable. Arenas and Baron Davis have ugly contracts. Andre Miller is a nice choice, but the Blazers don't need Murphy and they are likely to keep Andre due to his performance in the playoffs. Darren Collison and Ty Lawson have good potential but if we probably need to take some ugly contracts as well. That leaves Hinrich the only choice that is best point guard available for us.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

8305 wrote:I would trade any of our expiring contracts for Hinrich.

I would not.


I wouldn't trade anything we have right now, since HInrich would immediately become our worst contract, and we would be looking to dump him next offseason, much like we are looking to do with TJ now.


He's simply got to prove his worth on someone else's dime. I'd rather play "Insert Expiring Contract here" at PG since HInrich is guaranteed to not be considerably better (at least not the $16 million or so more he's owed over a vet minimum guy) than any vet minimum guy we sign.

Hell, he's not guaranteed to be $8 million better than TJ Ford, let alone better enough to start hamstringing our true ability to absorb contracts for ACTUALLY good players next offseason.



Seriously, let's just play TJ Ford and Lance Stephenson until AJ comes back around March if we're at the point where we're looking at Hinrich as worth $17 million or so.

I would be stunned if Hinrich didn't turn out to be much more serciceable than TJ. As more guys fall off the board I'm not seeing many viable choices left. Although, seeing the Pacers pass on Farmar makes me think management has taken on your mindset which would mean next year's starter will to Anthony Johnson or his equal.

I think TJ is better than Hinrich, but his contract that is expiring is definitely better. What does Hinrich do for us? Make us a game better, or a game worse? It makes no sense to commit extra money to somethin that doesn't help us out.