Horford extension?

IrishLuck31 · Post #1 » by **IrishLuck31** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:12 pm

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... extension/

This could of course just be him trying to appear positive, but I really hope Horford does not sign an extension by Nov. 1st. He is the perfect summer target for next year, although realistically I don't see him coning here. still nice to hope though.

laydo · Post #2 » by **laydo** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:33 pm

Horford will be the restrict free angent. Even if he doesn't exten his contract this season and accept the offer from the Pacers next summer, the Hawks will match it to stay him anyway.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #3 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:47 pm

I can't see the Hawks sticking with both Smith and Horford after giving Joe Johnson that contract.

chube · Post #4 » by **chube** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:14 pm

^^^ That's a good point, Indy. That would be a lot of money to tie up into a big 3 that doesn't equate the big 3 of teams like Miami or LA.

Post #5 » by **Gremz** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:23 am

I suspect they'll probably extend Horford and shop Smith after this season.

Boneman2 · Post #6 » by **Boneman2** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:28 am

Agreed Indy...

Speaking of the big three, it really doesn't work when two of them are PF's.

I'd settle for Smoove, he should've went to IU anyway, better late than never.

blueandgold · Post #7 » by **blueandgold** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:58 pm

I'll wait for Smith; however, I would go ahead and make an offer for Al.

B. Rush, D. Jones and a 1st round pick for 2011 or 2012.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #8 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:55 pm

blueandgold wrote:I'll wait for Smith; however, I would go ahead and make an offer for Al.

B. Rush, D. Jones and a 1st round pick for 2011 or 2012.

You would have to throw in George and Hansbrough. It still wouldn't get it done. I don't think they will get an extension done tho. They just now try with 2 weeks left to get it done? Seems a little late. They got Joe Johnson's contract done pretty quickly, why haven't they been able to get one done for Horford?

Post #9 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:26 am

Extending rookie contracts are always tough. Generally, you see the guys who have disappointed a bit, but still show tremendous promise, or the can't miss guaranteed max contract guys get extensions. Also, the swingmen who fit into the standard "great young SF contract size" like Granger, Richard Jefferson, Tayshaun Prince, Luol Deng, etc (think roughly 5 year $55 million size).

The guys who could break out in their 4th year, or teams that are facing unsettled financial situations generally don't get or grant extensions. I think ATL fits into the latter. They are probably throwing out fair, but lower contract numbers while Horford's agent is likely looking for a max contract to settle for an extension now and blow off free agency. If Atlanta plays well this year, they're likely to just not worry about their financials and throw a max at Horford. If they disappoint this year a bit, they might wait until free agency to see if they want to match. They likely will, but so long as Horford isn't a complete bust this year, throwing a max offer at him might be well worth the chance at making ATL sit up in their chair and question it.

Boneman2 · Post #10 » by **Boneman2** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:32 am

If Al is holding out for a max or near-max deal then ATL should wait. The only incentive for ATL to do it now is if they're trying to get him cheaper, otherwise they're better off waiting.

Post #11 » by **Gremz** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:32 pm

Boneman2 wrote:If Al is holding out for a max or near-max deal then ATL should wait. The only incentive for ATL to do it now is if they're trying to get him cheaper, otherwise they're better off waiting.

Agreed, and I for one don't expect Horford to settle for a cheap deal, unless of course there is concern with the new CBA (not sure where the talks are at right now).

Boneman2 · Post #12 » by **Boneman2** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:09 pm

^^^ Exactly.

Horford will command top-dollar, and he should. ATL will have to decide between now and then if he is worth 20 mill per. Make no mistake, they will probably match any offer, but they'll have to make adjustments to their roster like shedding decent players for pure cap-space.

There were plenty of examples this past offseason of what type of assets can be had for cap-space. Let's use it to our advantage.

8305 · Post #13 » by **8305** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:28 pm

I don't think Atlanta signed Johnson to that monster deal to let Horford walk. It wouldn't make any sense. There may be a standoff right now but if Atlanta is serious about competing they have to keep Horford. There's a contract amount out there that protects Horford long term below a maximum contract. Both sides look to me like they have plenty of incentive to find it.

I could see Smith becoming available but in that case Atlanta would want him in the Western Conference.

I also think there's a chance that before the season is over the power forward position will look fine with a committee of McRoberts and Hansbrough.

Post #14 » by **Gremz** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:19 am

The Johnson deal made no sense at all regardless of future plans imo.

jowglenn · Post #15 » by **jowglenn** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:11 am

Yeah Atlanta screwed up hard. Somehow Joe Johnson got the single largest contract of any 2010 FA. not LeBron, not Bosh, not Wade, not Amare..... but Joe Johnson. They will regret it. Question is, will they regret it sooner or later?

I think there's a good chance they regret it soon. If they falter a bit this season, getting like the 4th or 5th seed in the conf and getting knocked out in 1st or 2nd round, I doubt the owner will say, "yeah, let's lock that Horford guy up with a max contract, so we can be paying horford smith and johnson a combined 45 million a year (or whatever it is) and not even be a top 3 team in the east. Great."

So either way, we have good options. They might look to S&T Horford if they don't feel they can match him - they'd take what they could get. But if they decide Horford is the guy, or due to a new CBA they can retain him a little cheaper than expected, they might move Smith. I'd love to have Josh Smith here. We could easily offer cap space, paul george, pick, and they might have to do it.

Either way, we will have lots of options with our cap space. Everyone out on the T&T board acts like, 'Dude, Indy will NOT get any serious FA, you are wasting your cap space, you should trade for Iggy/Brand (or whatever huge money contracts they want to move)'. In reality, we will have lots of maneuvering room to "help" other teams move big contracts, get out of lux tax, etc.

8305 · Post #16 » by **8305** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:41 pm

I agree Atlanta messed up when the gave Johnson that contract. However, those who think Horford is going to be a free agent are kidding themselves. Atlanta is going to do what it takes to keep him. When was the last time a highly reguarded restricted free agent wasn't retained by the team who owned his rights?

They will let Crawford walk, give Williams away and replace them as inexpensively as possible.

Another thought, are we sure we want to be the team owning the Horford max money contract? Is he that good? Not sure I know the answer to either of those questions.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #17 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:27 pm

8305 wrote:I agree Atlanta messed up when the gave Johnson that contract. However, those who think Horford is going to be a free agent are kidding themselves. Atlanta is going to do what it takes to keep him. When was the last time a highly reguarded restricted free agent wasn't retained by the team who owned his rights?

They will let Crawford walk, give Williams away and replace them as inexpensively as possible.

Another thought, are we sure we want to be the team owning the Horford max money contract? Is he that good? Not sure I know the answer to either of those questions.

Did Atlanta have a player making Joe Johnson type money when they were in those situations?

8305 · Post #18 » by **8305** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:06 pm

Indy2thaWindy wrote:
8305 wrote:I agree Atlanta messed up when the gave Johnson that contract. However, those who think Horford is going to be a free agent are kidding themselves. Atlanta is going to do what it takes to keep him. When was the last time a highly reguarded restricted free agent wasn't retained by the team who owned his rights?

They will let Crawford walk, give Williams away and replace them as inexpensively as possible.

Another thought, are we sure we want to be the team owning the Horford max money contract? Is he that good? Not sure I know the answer to either of those questions.

Did Atlanta have a player making Joe Johnson type money when they were in those situations?

I don't think Atlanta has ever had anyone make Joe Johnson money. But, I can't think of any team who has let a resteicted free agent walk who while on a rookie contract played at or near all star level.

jowglenn · Post #19 » by **jowglenn** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:16 pm

Our best case scenario is forcing Atlanta to match a huge offer for Horford, then hope they get skittish and decide to move Smith, and we'd just make a huge offer. George, straight cap space, picks, hansbrough. all of it.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #20 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:37 am

jowglenn wrote:Our best case scenario is forcing Atlanta to match a huge offer for Horford, then hope they get skittish and decide to move Smith, and we'd just make a huge offer. George, straight cap space, picks, hansbrough. all of it.

I think you mean worst. You don't give up multiple picks and prospects you figure to be major contributors for Josh Smith he is good but no superstar. Wouldn't he have only 1 year left on his contract after the lockout anyways? It would be like trading for Tony Parker, who could leave the next season. You don't overpay for players like that unless you're a Josh Smith or Tony Parker away from contending.