Do you guys think Granger is good?

[Reginald Wayne]

I like Granger and I think he is a decent player, but I really don't see him as more than a 2nd or 3rd option on a good team.

He has become a good defender, but his offensive game irks me. He has absolutely no dribbles and when he finally does take it to the rim, he glides away from the basket rather than drawing contact for the foul. His shot selection is bad and even atrocious at times.

I hate when he dribbles into the lane..stops...then extends his off arm out and retreats. I yell at my computer screen at times for him to take it strong. Never happens.


I've come to accept that Granger is only a shooter and nothing else. He is not an all-star (yet) and he is no #1 option.

I think as long as Granger plays this way the Pacers will never accomplish anything. What they need is a cold-blooded assassin at the end of games, not a guy who settles for jumpers.

The box score showed 30 for Granger last game, but I saw a player scared to take over.


*Note: I do think his defense is needed badly, I just don't like his offense.

[colts2004]

You're a No personal attacks -PR07

Past 2 years he averaged 24.1 and 25.8 ppg and you think he sucks? Wow

Oh btw, do some research before you run your mouth! He was on the All-Star rookie team and on the actual All-Star team in 2009

[colts2004]

I like Granger and I think he is a decent player, but I really don't see him as more than a 2nd or 3rd option on a good team.

He has become a good defender, but his offensive game irks me. He has absolutely no dribbles and when he finally does take it to the rim, he glides away from the basket rather than drawing contact for the foul. His shot selection is bad and even atrocious at times.

I hate when he dribbles into the lane..stops...then extends his off arm out and retreats. I yell at my computer screen at times for him to take it strong. Never happens.


I've come to accept that Granger is only a shooter and nothing else. He is not an all-star (yet) and he is no #1 option.

I think as long as Granger plays this way the Pacers will never accomplish anything. What they need is a cold-blooded assassin at the end of games, not a guy who settles for jumpers.

The box score showed 30 for Granger last game, but I saw a player scared to take over.


*Note: I do think his defense is needed badly, I just don't like his offense.

Let me guess, you probably also thought Pacers would be nothing with Reggie.....

[captaincrunk]

This guy is a good troll.

[Miller4ever]

It's somewhere in between. He's a 1.5th option. If Hibbert becomes a 1.5th option, too, then we're in business.

[Reginald Wayne]

You're a moron!

Past 2 years he averaged 24.1 and 25.8 ppg and you think he sucks? Wow

Oh btw, do some research before you run your mouth! He was on the All-Star rookie team and on the actual All-Star team in 2009

Don't cry.


Of course I know he was an All-Star, but so was Mo Williams. And nobody cares about rookie teams.
I also never said he sucked, I said he was decent.

You post his scoring numbers as if that's all that matters. I've seen every Pacer game for the past 3 years (before that I didn't know about free streams) and his lack of driving ability is soooo frustrating. He disappears during important times in the game and he lacks that killer instinct. Here is where he is not comparable to Reggie. Reggie was heartless, dude. Granger is content.


It seems you read box scores more than you watch games. I'm very critical of the Indy team because I'm a big fan. Because of this I put high expectations on Granger since he's our best player. Until he starts developing a more balance game I'll never think he's great.


And for future responses...I'm not saying he sucks, lol. I just think he needs to do a lot more to be considered our franchise player.

[Reginald Wayne]

This guy is a good troll.

Just because you don't agree doesn't make me a troll (whatever that is).

I'm a basketball fan in addition to being a Pacer fan, so I want to see good basketball being player. You're just a Pacer fan.

[Miller4ever]

We don't need to get into name-calling. RW brings up a totally legitimate point. Even if a player makes the All-Star team, it doesn't mean they are ready to lead a championship-caliber team. There's two things that can happen to remedy this:

1. Collison or Hibbert (or even George or someone we haven't drafted yet) develops and becomes the team's leader. They don't have to be a leading scorer, they just have to be ready to shoulder the team when needed.

2. Granger steps up and becomes that guy. Some guys grow into that role. Granger had a down year and so far it's looked like he's bounced back. He has shown that he can kill in the late game, but he doesn't take that risk enough, instead deferring to teammates in the late game. It's also difficult because he's not that effective putting the ball on the floor, just because he's not that skilled in that area, but he's much better than when he came in and he could still improve in that area.

[colts2004]

You could put Michael Jordan on this team and we would still be average at best.

Danny is good but Danny can only be as good as his supporting cast. We have pieces to become good but until those pieces develop and Danny has a chance to be a leader(or we can see if he can be) we will only be average.

Dont forget, there is no, I, in team.....

[Miller4ever]

You could put Michael Jordan on this team and we would still be average at best.

Way to de-validate your entire argument. I'm sorry, but to say Michael Jordan wouldn't instantly make this team into a championship contender with the off-the-ball Granger, the great passing Hibbert, and the speedy efficient Collison, is false. I know it's opinion. But you're wrong.

[colts2004]

You could put Michael Jordan on this team and we would still be average at best.

Way to de-validate your entire argument. I'm sorry, but to say Michael Jordan wouldn't instantly make this team into a championship contender with the off-the-ball Granger, the great passing Hibbert, and the speedy efficient Collison, is false. I know it's opinion. But you're wrong.

To each its own.....

[Reginald Wayne]

You could put Michael Jordan on this team and we would still be average at best.

Danny is good but Danny can only be as good as his supporting cast. We have pieces to become good but until those pieces develop and Danny has a chance to be a leader(or we can see if he can be) we will only be average.

Dont forget, there is no, I, in team.....

So using that logic (which is wrong), putting Granger in place of Jordan during his Bulls era =championships? Lol.

If Jordan were on this team we'd win the East. Period. Thank you for completely taking yourself out of any argument here.

Side note: Granger did pretty well taking it to the rim today. There were still a few possessions where he bitched out, but fair job.

[colts2004]

Win the east??? We have done that before, no one cares who wins the east.... That dont mean jack ****

[Reginald Wayne]

Win the east??? We have done that before, no one cares who wins the east.... That dont mean jack ****

Ok then....

Let me guess, you probably also thought Pacers would be nothing with Reggie.....

Now that post goes to crap.
So if winning the east means nothing...then according to you the Pacers are nothing and never were anything even with Reggie.

Way to be what you accused me of being.


If Pacers win East and become relevant again then that is a good accomplishment. This is a small market team that doesn't get to sign big free agents, so doing so would be awesome.

[Miller4ever]

Granger is a good player, as RW said so. The guy who won 6 championships is vastly superior. Reggie Miller was a great playoff performer and made it to the Finals with a great supporting cast. Granger hasn't had much playoff experience. We honestly can't make the definite call right now. But if he starts averaging 35 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, and a block on 53% shooting, he'll be like Michael Jordan, who carried John Paxson and Bill Cartwright to the ECF's a bunch. Even he needed Scottie Pippen.

Our team can be contenders in 2 years. I don't know why winning the East doesn't mean anything.

I'd rather see this argument stop. There's no need to act superior to another poster, and there's no reason to get angry about it.

[Wizop]

I think it is just a matter of time until Hibbert is the face of the team. he's much more vocal than Danny. does that make Danny not good?

[jowglenn]

What kind of troll-baiting thread topic is this? Do we think Granger is good? No, we think he's ****, we should trade him for anything we can get.

of course we think he's good, gtfo of this board with these questions.

[Miller4ever]

How about reading the OP?

[Reginald Wayne]

I think it is just a matter of time until Hibbert is the face of the team. he's much more vocal than Danny. does that make Danny not good?

That's another thing. I like how Hibbert is more vocal. He is looking to become leader of the team. That's the type of stuff I wanted from Granger, but it doesn't seem to happen on the court. It doesn't make him "not good," but it definitely doesn't help. Just look at guys like Joe Johnson. I don't think that quiet dudes like him will accomplish much without another fiery player getting on their ass about things they do on the court.



Again. I'm not saying he isn't good, but I certainly don't think that he is this "star" that casual fans, media, and opposing broadcasters make him out to be.

[PR07]

A player can still be a star and not be vocal. Reggie led mostly by example, yet he's one of the greatest stars in Pacers' history. I feel like Granger is the same way. He works hard and just kind of puts his head to the grindstone and does his job. Ideally, the other players see what he does and that inspires them to work just as hard.

On the other hand, I think it's great that Roy has taken on more of the vocal, raw-raw voice of the team because we probably need that. I don't think that makes Roy anymore of a star than Danny, just more so the voice of the team.